I would agree with RAMIUS, they may be weak when alone but in a gaggle they have proven deadly.

Also they have proven they can change tactics quickly, do not expect them to address suburbs the way the did inner cities.

So far we have not seen them "attacking" homes but that can change in an instant.

learn their tactics and be willing to adapt.

They have dedicated medical, intelligence, communication, supply and security elements and know how to play the MSM to the hilt. Some have studied (documentation is a bit gray ) with Hezbollah and if anyone can run a riot it's the Palestinians...ask the IDF

And the SRA reddit has been very interesting, several vets and many questions on kit similar to what we would find here on SF.

They are not all emo kids with budda'ed SKSs....not that I would want to face of with a budda'ed SKS overly

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Originally posted by Jimineer:
If you are part of a group in commission of a felony and the main perp is killed, aren’t they all guilty of murder? Maybe in Texas?

Therefore, shoot them all

There is an interesting interview with Massad Ayoob on the topic of dealing with mobs:

https://armedcitizensnetwork.org/defense-against-mobs

From that interview:

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Going back into the 18th century, it has been understood that as the law applies, a mob, essentially, is an organism all moving in the same direction with the same unlawful purpose, with a homicidal intent and usually, to some degree, a specific target. It has been said that just as every member of the mob shares the criminal and civil responsibility for damage caused by the mob, they also share the responsibility for the fear they have created in the victim who opens fire. Therefore, if you aimed at Rioter A but you hit Rioter B, too bad, a target is a target, and they started the fight, and they lost.

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Originally posted by hrcjon:
But in any case the body count is not going to be 2 or 3 that were obviously attaching you like the kyle case, its going to be 10 (or with little luck or support) or 20 or 100 or more. I wonder what happens then (not to the individual but to larger picture we are facing)

This individual will be arrested, tried, and convicted of murder (or attempted murder) for every casualty that was not an immediate deadly threat, at the minimum. And for every single casualty like Kyle if it's a Dem city/state. Then he will get sued by the family of every dead or injured rioter and lose many of the cases because civil law has a much lower hurdle than criminal law, and juries will cave to compensate the crying mama talking about her good little boy/girl and how they were just protesting peacefully and didn't deserve to die.

I don't think it matters how red the city and state are. No prosecutor is going to allow this kind of collateral damage except against immediate deadly threats. Anything less is tantamount to declaring open season on rioters.

It is in everyone's best interest to watch Antifa/BLM create their mayhem from a distance, and only act to protect our homes and places of business if and when it is necessary.

Already the media narrative is that Trump supporters are causing the violence by having the audacity to exercise their 1st amendment rights to demonstrate in favor of Trump/Police or to counter protest BLM/Antifa, and defend themselves against BLM/Antifa attacks that inevitably occur. In the case of Kyle legitimate self defense is being spun into crazy far right militia white supremacist who went out with the intent to kill peaceful protestors.

Let them burn and loot the blue cities run by spineless and complicit democrats, and just watch. Give the media nothing to blame on conservatives.

that's probably why Antifa and BLM have not been declared terrorist organizations...otherwise is the government really going to prosecute someone for killing a known terrorist?

they're trying to have it both ways

Yup....mag dumps are cool...and fun but not a good thing in these situations ...MMMkay.

Honestly a suppressed 10/22 would almost be ideal...at 100m or less .22 penetrates just fine.

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Originally posted by Lefty Sig:
Sooner or later someone with sniper skills is going to shoot a few of these rioters from far enough away that he will be long gone before anyone has any idea where the shots came from. If he can use a large enough round to provide graphic results, the rats will scatter that much faster. And there are plenty of inexpensive but accurate rifles available out there that could just be disposed afterwards.

I think a lot of the tactically stupid behavior, like running at a rifle with a skateboard or pistol, comes from playing video games with simulated military weaponry where getting hit just means you have to find cover for a few seconds, grab a med pac, or just re-spawn.

They have no perspective on a what a 5.56 rifle hit will really do to them, much less a larger caliber like .308 and bigger. "Army of one arm" guy got the message from Kyle though...

Sort like the hand of God style of smiting evil doers.

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Originally posted by dewhorse:
Also they have proven they can change tactics quickly, do not expect them to address suburbs the way the did inner cities.

So far we have not seen them "attacking" homes but that can change in an instant.

learn their tactics and be willing to adapt.

If they are smart they will dress to avoid any identifying markings, sneak in at night and set fire to suburban businesses, and maybe homes, while tagging something permanent with spray paint to take credit, or maybe not even tag anything. Do not assume it will be a stand up fight against a riotous mob.

I think random burnings with no discernible pattern would be the most effective terrorist tactic they can use. No one will know when they will get burned, and most people will advocate appeasement to get it to stop.

I think it will unoccupied businesses at night to avoid the likelihood of deaths of sleeping homeowners. And if you set enough in one fire department area, they will not be able to put them all out without calling in departments that are further away. And as soon as that happens, they will set fires in the abandoned department areas like a sick whack-a-mole game.

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
Sort like the hand of God style of smiting evil doers.

Yep, to win you have to fight asymmetrical warfare with your own asymmetrical tactics that do more damage to their will to continue than they can do to your will.

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Originally posted by Lefty Sig:
I think it will unoccupied businesses at night to avoid the likelihood of deaths of sleeping homeowners. And if you set enough in one fire department area, they will not be able to put them all out without calling in departments that are further away. And as soon as that happens, they will set fires in the abandoned department areas like a sick whack-a-mole game.

They were doing this in West Seattle last week.

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Originally posted by Lefty Sig:

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Originally posted by dewhorse:
Also they have proven they can change tactics quickly, do not expect them to address suburbs the way the did inner cities.

So far we have not seen them "attacking" homes but that can change in an instant.

learn their tactics and be willing to adapt.

If they are smart they will dress to avoid any identifying markings, sneak in at night and set fire to suburban businesses, and maybe homes, while tagging something permanent with spray paint to take credit, or maybe not even tag anything.

Just an FYI, one thing they've been doing on social media, is blaming Trump Supporters/Proud Boys/KKK/Republican/Nazis/Right Wing Extremists for all the chaos occurring in the cities.

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A couple of Rhodesian Ridgebacks would be a nice touch

I only have one. A female that's annoyingly protective at times.

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Originally posted by RAMIUS:
Here's an interesting photo/thread that is currently blowing my mind...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Socia...lent_leftist_antifa/

Get off of reddit or, stop reading too deeply into it, as its no better than Twitter; the derp and stupid is strong there. Its real easy for people to post theoreticals from the comfort of their computer and re-caption various photographs to suit whatever ideas they're pitching, its a whole other story for them to get out there on the street and actually attempt it.

BTW- that shadow box he's referring to, they're attempting tie the Greatest Generation who fought in WWII, as bonafide Antifa members, because they fought against the Nazi's. Never mind that box looks like Junior went down to the surplus store and threw together a few 'cool looking' items.

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Originally posted by GT-40DOC:
To those folks that stepped up $$ wise and purchased one(or more) legal full auto weapons likely feel a bit of comfort right now. I would think that a few bursts might just change a mind or two. It would have to be used as an "all or nothing "situation, I would think.

You totally wouldn’t need full auto, you would only need to plug a couple of them and the rest would gtfo. Have you seen any of the videos where people fight back? These antifa/blm types are all pussies and the second it’s not going their way they are all gone

A former Navy Seal I follow on YouTube stated that many in their community, former and current, are really close to the breaking point. He said the varsity team is about to come onto the field. He said these fuckers have no idea what’s coming.

Lord I hope they do. Put them down in Portland in a spectacular way and take the wind out of their sails.

Burn Loot Murdertifa and their activist friends in the media are pretty desperate to tie all the violence to supposed White Supremacists; so if anyone ever brings that up, ask them why these democrat-controlled cities are in league with White Supremacy because they keep arresting and releasing these so-called White Supremacists.

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Originally posted by jrhillma:

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Originally posted by Jimineer:
If you are part of a group in commission of a felony and the main perp is killed, aren’t they all guilty of murder? Maybe in Texas?

Therefore, shoot them all

There is an interesting interview with Massad Ayoob on the topic of dealing with mobs:

https://armedcitizensnetwork.org/defense-against-mobs

From that interview:

quote:

Going back into the 18th century, it has been understood that as the law applies, a mob, essentially, is an organism all moving in the same direction with the same unlawful purpose, with a homicidal intent and usually, to some degree, a specific target. It has been said that just as every member of the mob shares the criminal and civil responsibility for damage caused by the mob, they also share the responsibility for the fear they have created in the victim who opens fire. Therefore, if you aimed at Rioter A but you hit Rioter B, too bad, a target is a target, and they started the fight, and they lost.

Thanks for posting that!

To my point, the one or two rioters in front of the one with the Molotov cocktail should just be put down first. Then the rest of them for all I care.

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Originally posted by Lefty Sig:
"Army of one arm" guy got the message from Kyle though...

Actually, everyone in that area got the message immediately when one arm guy's bicep went up in a mist, and within 30 minutes, every black clad moron in Kenosha had gotten the message and gone home. And therein lies the truth of what I think jjones is telling us. Paper Tiger is the right term for these morons. My bet, if ~50 of these idiots descended on a home and the homeowner dropped a half dozen of them out of the core of the group from his roof using an AR, the rest of the 'revolutionaries' would soil themselves as they scattered into the night. The question then becomes, can that homeowner continue to repel the inevitable onslaught over the following nights. My bet, 'No', given the DA is likely to arrest and jail the homeowner and confiscate all his weapons leaving his family and home completely vulnerable to the mob. Great times we live in...

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Originally posted by Jimineer:
A former Navy Seal I follow on YouTube stated that many in their community, former and current, are really close to the breaking point. He said the varsity team is about to come onto the field. He said these fuckers have no idea what’s coming.

Lord I hope they do. Put them down in Portland in a spectacular way and take the wind out of their sails.

Who is that?

In my opinion, if that would occur, this BS would be over.

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Originally posted by Lefty Sig:
Yep, to win you have to fight asymmetrical warfare with your own asymmetrical tactics that do more damage to their will to continue than they can do to your will.

Just curious. What do you think it would do to their motivation and headcounts if 100 of them laid siege to a neighborhood and 20 or so of them took an immediate dirt nap at the hands of homeowners? Yeah, it might piss off the most hardcore among them (my bet, those are low numbers), but I'd bet a large cross section of their 'revolutionaries' would opt to stay home and play keyboard warriors. And I'm only debating what would happen to the black clad morons not the homeowners.

Ultimately, as I noted a ways back, these people currently fear nothing. Not the cops, the courts, or us. That needs to change and an enormous dose of fear needs to be instilled in them for us to have progress toward ending this BS.