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Originally posted by dewhorse:

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Originally posted by parabellum:
The people themselves are going to have to deal with this. I don't say this lightly.

If you don't have your load out / repel boarders kit easily accessible you're setting yourself up for failure.

Not to be overly melodramatic but imagine if you had 30 minutes or less to make your home or neighborhood ready

Is your kit in one place?

Do you have enough kit ( body armor, sighted in rifles, BOK)for all the shooters in your house?

Do you have a plan?

What friends can you call?

Two quick thoughts. Dewhorse, all the time, money, effort spent on preparation is wasted, until one day, you're a day late. This is true for riots, earthquakes, wildfires. Get it done starting yesterday.

Para, I sure hope you are wrong. But every few days there's another bolt of lightning that sparks another wildfire. How soon before we run out of firefighters and we are on our own?? Seems to me things will get worse.

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Originally posted by BansheeOne:

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Originally posted by icom706:

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What we are facing is a Marxist revolution.

Serious question: Has a Marxist revolution ever been stopped cold, anywhere? Russia, China, Cuba, Venezuela failed to see what was coming and by then it was too late.

Marxists can only be stopped by force because they don't want fair elections and they won't accept the results.

Yes. 1933 Germany. Took drastic measures like concentration camps, but it worked until 1945.

Think I am joking or being flippant?

Read up on Germany 1918-1933, KPD (Communist Part Germany) and the NSAPD battling in the streets

Refer to my post on page 25 of this thread. Most major Western nations have "stopped Marxist revolutions" during the Cold War. Evidence: they didn't turn communist despite considerable support for it from movements widely originating in universities, mass protests, terrorism and street violence. That was definitely true for France, West Germany, Italy, Japan and the UK, and to a lesser degree for others. The only country that took "drastic measures" was Greece, which fought a civil war against communist forces with British and US support from 1944 to 1949 (then had a coup leading to military dictatorship from 1967 to 1974 when centrists were expected to again win that year's election on the pretext that they might form a government with the left; though the real reason might have been that the Greek king was seeking greater constitutional powers, opposed by the centrist government). OTOH Portugal had what could be called a peaceful revolution against a right-wing authoritarian regime in 1974 that started out as a military coup by left-wing officers, but turned into a free-market democracy. All others reacted to the unrest of the 60s-80s with some repression and some reform, as is the strength of democratic systems.

I said it even earlier on the thread, the contemporary US aren't the Weimar Republic. The only way you might make them become it is anticipating its results, and suggest civil war, concentration camps and "eliminating" the alleged Jewish instigators as appropriate means to address the unrest, as people have done on the last couple pages. In fact next time someone asks how people could fall for the Nazis, direct them to this thread; I'm seriously taken aback nobody has disagreed with that. There has been good thougtful stuff posted previously, like by DrDan. I think everybody should read the piece on the nature of insurgencies he linked to in his last post in particular before any further contributions. It would probably improve the signal-to-noise ratio considerably here.

I'll re-read the insurgency bit and see how it applies today with personal and instant communication devices. Just note that I have seen the left's attack here for 50 years now.

I saw how California went hard left. I saw how the left took over Oregon - they still lack total control of the legislature like in California, but here it is just a matter of time.

The battle now might be between far left; Bolshevism, or just left of left - democratic leftism disguised as soft-bolshevism (perhaps close to Fascism where you still have aspects of private property but strongly influenced by the party).

Italy had a communist govt for 6 months I think in 1947.

These western republics perhaps defeated marx-leninism in the pure sense, but all moved further left. So did they really defeat it, or did they appease marx-leninism?

All also had a functioning relatively neutral press. A free and neutral press is essential for a democratic republic to survive. If the press takes sides, like 80 percent pro-bolshevik it's bad. A biased press will cause even more damage than an armed and violent protestor. Again, the saving grace today maybe that the internet breaks the former 3 network news monopoly and even that of , the major news papers like the New York Times or Washington Post (well the post was founded in 1820 as the mouthpiece of the democratic party).

Also the western republics did not have aspects of the government providing cover for the protestors (maybe they did but I'd have to read news accounts).

What is alarming here right now that some state Governors and their lackey Mayors of major cities are providing cover for these anarchists.

When I hear on the local tv news that the Portland mayor and Governor is more concerned about police violence against the anarchists than violence by the anarchist against the city, we have a major problem. Dereliction of duty to provide for law and order.

This then in turn emboldens criminals. Gang related shooting in Portland are up thru the roof this year. 4 over the weekend alone.

In Oregon, our Gauleiter, who seems to be really enjoying her new position at running the state under non-declared martial law, would love to use the violent gun violence in Portland by out of control and encouraged criminals (gangs) to take our guns away. They already have the sensible gun laws ready for passage and signature.

So is Oregon Gauliter doing a 'Burn the Reichstag' move by allowing the current violence in Portland so that the 'proper' laws can be enacted? Worked for Hitler and the gang and others before and after him.

Interestingly the democratic Governor of Wisconsin is sending in the national guard. Could it perhaps be that his state went for Trump in 2016? Oregon Democratic politicians in this state do not have the same fear of their sheep. Oregon going for Trump - I have a better chance at regaining my German passport, or more importantly, getting a permanent IT job back at 59.

Oh, and i have 1980 and 1984 events in West-Berlin reversed. Well, been 40 years now for me. But I double checked it and SPD/Greens ran things in 1980, and CDU/FDP in 1984. Weizsaecker had just been promoted to Bundespresident in early 1984, with Deppiegen and CDU/FDP running things.

Also read up on the West-Berlin legal status. Most of it I knew - like not being eligible for service in the Bundeswehr. Western-Allies had the power to appoint the mayor of West-Berlin. Makes that American Military governor phone call to the 1980 SPD West-Berlin Mayor even more likely after 3 days of non-intervention to stop the violent protests.

Side note of interest. Although West-Berlin citizens were not eligible for military service, there was some sort of landwehr for Berlin under western allied control. My uncle was part of it - trained in small arms and tactics. After the reunification, he was granted a Lieutenant Rank in the Bundeswehr (reserves I would guess).


Now that I made myself homesick, I'll look at some pictures of Berlin and ride the S9 im fuehrerstand via youtube.

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:

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Originally posted by dewhorse:

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Originally posted by parabellum:
The people themselves are going to have to deal with this. I don't say this lightly.

If you don't have your load out / repel boarders kit easily accessible you're setting yourself up for failure.

Not to be overly melodramatic but imagine if you had 30 minutes or less to make your home or neighborhood ready

Is your kit in one place?

Do you have enough kit ( body armor, sighted in rifles, BOK)for all the shooters in your house?

Do you have a plan?

What friends can you call?

Two quick thoughts. Dewhorse, all the time, money, effort spent on preparation is wasted, until one day, you're a day late. This is true for riots, earthquakes, wildfires. Get it done starting yesterday.

Para, I sure hope you are wrong. But every few days there's another bolt of lightning that sparks another wildfire. How soon before we run out of firefighters and we are on our own?? Seems to me things will get worse.

Agreed, the C19 taught me not to put off things.....

The lovely misses finally woke up, this has helped me share my "crazy"

Not sounding too crazy anymore

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Originally posted by Quicksand:
I've noticed that ANTIFA is getting less credit for the violence and looting...it seems the last few days it's basically "BLM" destroying our country (or trying to).. now...

ANTIFA has camouflaged itself in BLM robes. This is with the BLM admin blessing. They are for the most part of the same ideology. ANTIFA damaged its brand a few years ago and exfiltrated back into the shadows. When BLM gained favorable status with the virtue signalers and those too PC'd to remain neutral, ANTIFA infiltrated BLM to continue destroying the culture under that name. It's still ANTIFA, but the casual observer thinks it's BLM. There are plenty of people on predominately black culture websites who recognize and resent this fact. ANTIFA intends to destroy the traditional American culture. And most of the population will let them.

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by CPD SIG:
Man, I really hate when the narrative gets all fucked up.

It doesn't matter now. This is just like all the rest of these incidents. Michael Brown committed a strongarm robbery at a convenience store and then got shot dead when he assaulted a police officer. There's even videotape of the robbery he committed. Doesn't matter. George Floyd had a lethal cocktail of drugs in his system and was saying he couldn't breathe before he even got out of his car. Doesn't matter. As the saying goes, a lie will get halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes.

And even if these people would admit these truths or have evidence placed before them, of such strength and volume, no one could refute it, it still doesn't matter. The only thing to be done is for these people to be defeated; to have their efforts frustrated, their plans in ruins. The people who want to help us- the police- they're prevented from doing their jobs by disgusting leftist officials in these cities and states. The President, well, you know, I think the Constitution constrains his ability to send in troops except under certain extreme circumstances. This is part of the checks and balances involving state versus Federal law enforcement.

The people themselves are going to have to deal with this. I don't say this lightly.

A few things-
The saying "A lie will get half way around the world before the truth puts it's boots on" needs to be updated in today's digital age. That lie has been around the world a hundred times way before the truth gets its boots on.
One click, and that lie is out there for everyone who has access to the Internet. It's way worse than 30, 40 years ago.
It's almost impossible for the truth to even catch up. And as you stated, some don't even care about the truth.

I've seen it first hand: The police involved shooting in Englwood (a Chicago neighborhood ridden by violence and gangs), police were investigating a "man with gun" call, gave chase, GOT SHOT AT, then returned fire, striking the bad guy. WAY BEFORE any press conference, and Twitter, Facebook and the rest of the social media twist the story to "Police shoot unarmed 9 year old".
That was within 90 minutes of the shootout.


If you think about it, it's the same people that want to trample our 2nd Amendment rights because a scant few abuse that right. Funny thing is, the very same seem to be abusing the hell out of the 1st Amendment for their selfish needs.

Active riot going on in Kenosha. Reports of throwing bricks. Video of thrown fireworks. Some people in the crowd with long guns.

https://m.twitch.tv/woke


https://m.twitch.tv/woke

Large groups of agitated protests/riots in Louisville as well.


People on rooftops in Kenosha. Armed, on top of their own businesses it appears.

A lot of long guns...both sides.

Video here: https://twitter.com/griffinmal...467943458590720?s=21

^^^^^^^looks like a Tapco advertisement.

Reportedly shooting at police.

https://twitter.com/mr_patrick...467870188412929?s=21

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Originally posted by IndianaBoy:
Large groups of agitated protests/riots in Louisville as well.


People on rooftops in Kenosha. Armed, on top of their own businesses it appears.

My bet, if they drop a few of the black clad morons, the rest will scatter like "chaff to the wind". I doubt any will opt to stick around to fight.

Cool it with that stuff

At least two people shot

Shots have been going off for about ten minutes at intervals. The guy streaming is shitting his pants. His tone changesd in a matter of seconds.

He doesn't belong there.

More shooting as I'm posting this.

This is the path we're on. Downhill and getting faster every day.

Needless to say, the police are suddenly very active.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
At least two people shot

Any indication as to who? I'm praying its not LEO's.

People in the crowd, that's all I can say. Probably the leftists.

The streamer is crapping his Underoos. He'll regret his commentary tomorrow. He's a perfect example of someone who should not be in such a situation. He doesn't have the stones for it. How the fuck could he not know the potential here? Both sides are armed.

Tire fires, car fires. The crowd has lost their enthusiasm for shouting slogans with raised fists.

Th assholes in the chat of the livestream think this is cool and funny

These guys were protecting a gas station earlier. Now, they're sweating. I'm not saying they shot at anyone, but you can see the tension in them in this pic if you saw them earlier.

You can see the look on the girl's face, the one over the guy's left shoulder. It ain't a game any more. Welcome to reality.

At least three people shot, including a head injury.

Identified as the shooter.




Running away after shooting



This brings out the old press photographer in me.

Pretty sure I just saw I guy get shot in the stomach on Twitter. Things are getting a bit hot.

Never thought I’d see this in my lifetime.

As I said earlier, it's only going to take one idiot...

Para, you may not have more information, but do you know if was he defending property or one of the protestors?