I agree with jljones on the previous page. The problem, as I see it, is that they will divide the country into those portions who tolerate them, and those that do not.

I'm not worried about them here in central Florida. They may make some noise in central Tampa, or central Orlando, but it would be quickly contained and dispersed. They will NEVER come to the burbs or the rurals where I live in this part of the country.

If, however, they get a physical and political toe hold in major liberal urban centers, get into the structures of power (city council, mayor, judge, DA, etc.) then the ideas will get mainstreamed idiots and cowards will learn to live with it, and we will be fighting a long term culture war over the meaning of America, and the laws, not an insurgency which can be crushed with will and education.

I won't give up, but that doesn't mean that Seattle, Portland, LA, NY, DC and some other places won't give up. And if they give up, we have all lost something significant to the country.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by Mr. Kook:
I cannot think of an effective way to defend against that while still having work lives and staying within the law.

A question. And this is not sarcastic or an attempt to disparage, but if 50, 100, or more rioters (they are not protestors) are seeking to vandalize your home, burn it, and potentially injure or kill its residents, is staying within the law much of a consideration at that point?

To answer your question, no it really isn't. That said, these clowns are arming up and showing up with pistols and rifles. Rittenhouse dealt with three who were willing to charge a young man armed with a rifle. Two of the three filled body-bags and the third will never be able to raise a pistol up to eye-level with his right hand again but that doesn't change the fact they were all of the mindset to close and kill a well armed person. I don't think we can count on the roaches scattering when the lead starts flying.

I wasn't too clear in my post above about what I meant by staying within the limits of the law. I mean within the limits of what can be legally owned and positioned prior to an engagement. The mobs in the video link I posted were huge, way too large to counter with just an AR15. We can't own belt-feds and other more effective crowd dispersal implements so how does a person, say someone who lives in a rural area with neighbors spaced out a significant fraction of a mile from each other, repel a mob who show up to burn him and his family out?

I don't think any one person or one household can repel a mob of the size that was present at Fire-foot's dance party, even if armed with two AR-15s (for when the first overheats) and a big stack of magazines. Certainly not if the crowd has a few shooters of their own in it, and definitely not if you can't keep one from throwing a molotov at your home and burning you out of cover.

It's making me re-think how this whole thing should be approached.

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It's making me re-think how this whole thing should be approached.

On a daily basis.

Now on top of being in condition red every time you leave the house, you holster your gun and not only think about and be prepared for having draw it, but it may be a kid and the implications of that.
Being masked up you wouldn't even know till the bleeding stopped.

BLM in Pittsburgh

https://twitter.com/drrollerga.../1302741208570236935

I would say race relations have been set back by 70 or 80 years

It's odd and amusing to see folks confused or surprised or even indignant by their tactics; it seems clear most have simply learned them from YouTube and Video Games and copying what they see.

Bright lights and strobes? Watch any cop show. Hell, get pulled over once, at night. Those lights from one LE vehicle are enough for a small rock concert, and some police love shining flashlights in eyes. Check...

Umbrellas, Tear Gas deterrents? No genius required, watch most any YT video about protests abroad.
All they're doing is halfassedly mimicking things they've seen our own police and others do. Check...

Bandannas, balaclavas, molle gear, etc? Anyone who has played a video game in the last 20yrs is likely very familiar. Strobes, IR, Lasers, body armor, video game have taught this for years now. Check...

I bet if we could teleport all of "them" to one spot at the same time, we'd find maybe 10% are anything but a confused immature dumbass. 10% is probably too high. It's too stupid and juvenile in execution...

Some mix of Spring Break Goes Wild, real protests about legitimate issues, bad actors and movement co-opters, and a nearly irrelevantly small number of truly dangerous or actually Marxist shitstains.

Find the real shitstains and root them out, one by one. Hopefully someone is on this already.

Tbis is no army, no militia of any real sense, it's just a loose mob of fools with a few truly bad actors.

I'm almost bored by their ineffectual nonsense. Bluster, damage to buildings and vehicles, blah blah blah.

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Originally posted by Mr. Kook:
It's making me re-think how this whole thing should be approached.

Yep. To that end, and specifically about the scenario you posed, I've decided full rifle rounds that will easily zip through more than one aggressor is probably the answer. Highly doubtful your average Marxist has armor that will defeat a .308 or .30-06 FMJ. An M1 with a 10" bayonet fixed suddenly doesn't seem quite so obsolete after watching the attack on Rittenhouse.

To those folks that stepped up $$ wise and purchased one(or more) legal full auto weapons likely feel a bit of comfort right now. I would think that a few bursts might just change a mind or two. It would have to be used as an "all or nothing "situation, I would think.

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Yep. To that end, and specifically about the scenario you posed, I've decided full rifle rounds that will easily zip through more than one aggressor is probably the answer. Highly doubtful your average Marxist has armor that will defeat a .308 or .30-06 FMJ. An M1 with a 10" bayonet fixed suddenly doesn't seem quite so obsolete after watching the attack on Rittenhouse.

I took the 55gn out of rotation and have Green tips and Federal MK318 loaded up.
Attached the bi-pod to the .308, installed and adjusted the sling and loaded all mags with 168 gn Federal GMM.

I am not the only one proudly flying an American flag on the front porch in my neighborhood.

A binary trigger if you can find one or a "belt loop" on your molle gear to bump your semi.

-TVz

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
VIDEOS: BLM Attacks #WalkAway Event in Texas

https://www.breitbart.com/bord...tive-group-in-texas/

Boy got a lesson in Physics 101...The larger object always wins in an encounter. Most of us older guys learned that lesson somewhere around 10 years old.

Yet the security fellow was arrested and when they went to the PD to check on him BLM was waiting for them...and chased them out of the area.

Lessons learned....do not venture into the AO without additional armed security and an exit strategy...or multiple AOE "avenues of escape"

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Originally posted by 6guns:
^^^ I'm very close to Gary and I'm surprised we haven't seen any action here.

Me too. You have to ask yourself though, what if the person getting ready to throw the Molotov cocktail is back behind three rows of people. How do you shoot if you don't have a clear target?

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:

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^^^ I'm very close to Gary and I'm surprised we haven't seen any action here.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Gary has had its share in the past. Maybe they are tired. Even in the 50s Gary was a tough place.

It wasn't too bad in the 50s. Late 60s is a different story.

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Originally posted by powermad:

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Yep. To that end, and specifically about the scenario you posed, I've decided full rifle rounds that will easily zip through more than one aggressor is probably the answer. Highly doubtful your average Marxist has armor that will defeat a .308 or .30-06 FMJ. An M1 with a 10" bayonet fixed suddenly doesn't seem quite so obsolete after watching the attack on Rittenhouse.

I took the 55gn out of rotation and have Green tips and Federal MK318 loaded up.
Attached the bi-pod to the .308, installed and adjusted the sling and loaded all mags with 168 gn Federal GMM.

I am not the only one proudly flying an American flag on the front porch in my neighborhood.

XM193 will do just fine!

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Originally posted by Ogie:
Me too. You have to ask yourself though, what if the person getting ready to throw the Molotov cocktail is back behind three rows of people. How do you shoot if you don't have a clear target?

Yell "Fore!" first.



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Originally posted by Mr. Kook:

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by Mr. Kook:
I cannot think of an effective way to defend against that while still having work lives and staying within the law.

A question. And this is not sarcastic or an attempt to disparage, but if 50, 100, or more rioters (they are not protestors) are seeking to vandalize your home, burn it, and potentially injure or kill its residents, is staying within the law much of a consideration at that point?

To answer your question, no it really isn't. That said, these clowns are arming up and showing up with pistols and rifles. Rittenhouse dealt with three who were willing to charge a young man armed with a rifle. Two of the three filled body-bags and the third will never be able to raise a pistol up to eye-level with his right hand again but that doesn't change the fact they were all of the mindset to close and kill a well armed person. I don't think we can count on the roaches scattering when the lead starts flying.

I wasn't too clear in my post above about what I meant by staying within the limits of the law. I mean within the limits of what can be legally owned and positioned prior to an engagement. The mobs in the video link I posted were huge, way too large to counter with just an AR15. We can't own belt-feds and other more effective crowd dispersal implements so how does a person, say someone who lives in a rural area with neighbors spaced out a significant fraction of a mile from each other, repel a mob who show up to burn him and his family out?

I don't think any one person or one household can repel a mob of the size that was present at Fire-foot's dance party, even if armed with two AR-15s (for when the first overheats) and a big stack of magazines. Certainly not if the crowd has a few shooters of their own in it, and definitely not if you can't keep one from throwing a molotov at your home and burning you out of cover.

It's making me re-think how this whole thing should be approached.

I mentioned previously that we all need to look at how the Rhodesians and now the SA farmers dealt with this issue.

every homestead is different but you need to look at your avenues of approach and either make them less easy....thorn bushes, water obstacles etc or ensure you have clear fields of fire and the ability to remotely light them for improved visibility.

A couple of Rhodesian Ridgebacks would be a nice touch

In my own situations our neighborhood is 1KM off the major interstate and has only 3 entry points all have topography inclined to the defender. I have houses very close on the sides, less than 3M and a home less than 75m from my front door and a golf fairway in my back yard.

This information figures into my overall plans and range cards.

My wife and I have been discussing this a lot lately and she is concerned enough to finally get to the range and her tolerating trying on the body armor I have been buying for the past couple of years....in fact she stole mine

All that being said, I am not kidding myself into thinking I can turn my house into the Texan version of Stalingrad. If they actually come intent on murder and mayhem and are willing to the take casualties that will be afflicted then I have little chance to walk away with an intact house.

But so far these terrorists have shown little stomach for the charge of the light brigade type actions so as long as you are prepared to defend your home to the fullest extent of the law you should prevail......

Then comes the media onslaught....but that's a different story ....which reminds me to find a good criminal attorney and shell out the funds to retain them.

And as someone posted...yes, a binary trigger and a couple of MP 60 round drums is comforting at times but it is very sobering that I might need them to defend my home and family.

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Originally posted by Ogie:

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Originally posted by 6guns:
^^^ I'm very close to Gary and I'm surprised we haven't seen any action here.

Me too. You have to ask yourself though, what if the person getting ready to throw the Molotov cocktail is back behind three rows of people. How do you shoot if you don't have a clear target?

If you are part of a group in commission of a felony and the main perp is killed, aren’t they all guilty of murder? Maybe in Texas?

Therefore, shoot them all

I for one have spent a lot of time watching numerous videos and asking lots of questions to the experts about the laws of self defense in my State for the scenarios that concern me. In my State we have a duty to retreat so the people that merely make you leave your dinner or smash your glass etc. aren't really likely to be a big event. But sooner or later someone with an AR or similar and some skills to use it is going to feel threatened by deadly force by one of these mobs and decide to stand their ground and fight. And I know a bunch here have said well you have no chance with these mobs and I agree if there are waves of suicidal people like the japanese in WW2 that's probably true. But these don't seem like that. But in any case the body count is not going to be 2 or 3 that were obviously attaching you like the kyle case, its going to be 10 (or with little luck or support) or 20 or 100 or more. I wonder what happens then (not to the individual but to larger picture we are facing)

I am with jjones here. These assholes say they want to start a revolution but most can't even start a lawnmower. They may have a few warriors, but when it gets real and they meet real men, they will for the most part cry for Momma and run for her basement. Bottom line is they are a paper tiger, created and egged on by the media, and will not be able to sustain any kind of campaign. With that said, stay heeled for the stray psychopath looking for the opportunity to hurt somebody.

Sooner or later someone with sniper skills is going to shoot a few of these rioters from far enough away that he will be long gone before anyone has any idea where the shots came from. If he can use a large enough round to provide graphic results, the rats will scatter that much faster. And there are plenty of inexpensive but accurate rifles available out there that could just be disposed afterwards.

I think a lot of the tactically stupid behavior, like running at a rifle with a skateboard or pistol, comes from playing video games with simulated military weaponry where getting hit just means you have to find cover for a few seconds, grab a med pac, or just re-spawn.

They have no perspective on a what a 5.56 rifle hit will really do to them, much less a larger caliber like .308 and bigger. "Army of one arm" guy got the message from Kyle though...

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Originally posted by 46and2:


....and a nearly irrelevantly small number of truly dangerous or actually Marxist shitstains.

I really think there's more than you realize. These people think their actions are righteous and this is their chance for revolution.

For a snapshot of how they operate and how they're preparing, cruise some reddit forums (What I find to be especially interesting in reading these commie threads, particularly the Socialist Rifle Association, is that they don't seem concerned with the legality of using their firearms against us facists):

https://www.reddit.com/r/SocialistRA/
https://www.reddit.com/r/communism101/
https://www.reddit.com/r/socialism/

Here's an interesting photo/thread that is currently blowing my mind...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Socia...lent_leftist_antifa/



I strongly believe that the only way to defeat them is by destroying them. How and when? I don't know.

Unless something is done soon, they will continue to incrementally destroy our country, as they've been doing for years. There's simply no way we can live with these people and they just won't go away.

BTW, I've been seeing chatter on various social media platforms about Antifa/BLM planning an "event" on Halloween.