Here’s my take on it. You survived the first two times they chased you away. Why go back?

He knew he was going to die if he went back the third time but he went anyway.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
Yes yes, the self licking ice cream cone.

You're supposed to believe that.

Some people get bent out of shape when they encounter people who don't believe and say things against our faith. I'm not one of them. Because when I encounter a person called out of darkness into the light, it's proof to me the bible is true. When someone calls the Christian faith a self licking ice cream cone, it is likewise proof to me the bible is true. The bible is clear there are those blinded by unbelief who will say things like what you just said. Any clever thing you think you can say to rationalize your unbelief comports with the bible that says there are those who don't believe who will say things they think are clever to rationalize their unbelief.

See how it all works well for me?

Ronin, that is really funny!

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Originally posted by bubbatime:

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Originally posted by ArtieS:
Murder is suddenly ok if the indigenous do it to missionaries? If a gang banger kills someone who stepped on the wrong street, we put them in jail. That's what the Indian government ought to do to these guys.

Go fill a sock with a bunch of batteries, then self beat yourself. Clean the gene pool for us.

It's kind of interesting.

There are a handful of responses to ArtieS's post: a few agreeing with him, more than a few disagreeing. However, every one of those responses, other than the one suggestion that Artie self-flagelate with a sock full of batteries, every one, is written in a civilized tone, as in the old-fashioned concept of discussing things, whether the responder agrees or disagrees with ArtieS's post.

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Originally posted by SIG228:
Another Portland dumbass.

LMAO.

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Originally posted by Micropterus:

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
Yes yes, the self licking ice cream cone.

You're supposed to believe that.

Some people get bent out of shape when they encounter people who don't believe and say things against our faith. I'm not one of them. Because when I encounter a person called out of darkness into the light, it's proof to me the bible is true. When someone calls the Christian faith a self licking ice cream cone, it is likewise proof to me the bible is true. The bible is clear there are those blinded by unbelief who will say things like what you just said. Any clever thing you think you can say to rationalize your unbelief comports with the bible that says there are those who don't believe who will say things they think are clever to rationalize their unbelief.

See how it all works well for me?

If my words are your evidence that a book called the bible is true, well I'd say you have bigger problems....

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If he died in service to the Lord, he secured his spot in the afterlife doing the Lord's work.

Humbled here.

I'd read this story online. Did the Red Foreman.

"Dumbass."

Read the above and I'm not thinking that so much now.

1) We are lucky that the missionary didn't bring back X-Files class zombie viruses from these 30,000 years isolated hybrid offspring of aliens and humans.

2) Some of our own SF likely have Jehova's Witness proselytizers buried in their potato cellars.

The pile of abandoned bicycles and Watchtowers in their backyards will be the giveaway clues.

NSFW due to native tits and dicks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExdEHU02Zk0&t=

Apparently they won't always kill you if you bring them something they want. Like the metric shit ton of coconuts this dude brought them back in '91.

Maybe they are still a little sore over an incident while this was being filmed and took it out on the poor missionary.

In the video they are throwing the coconuts into the water from the boat and the natives come out and pick them up. At one point a pregnant chic comes over and grabs a couple and heads back to shore. At that point some joker in the boat beans her in the head with a fastball coconut and knocks her down.

It's at that point things seem to be falling apart. Especially evident when one of the native dudes grabs his pecker, points it at the boat, and starts tugging on it.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
If my words are your evidence that a book called the bible is true, well I'd say you have bigger problems....

Not all of my evidence, but certainly some of it. I thank you for it.

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Originally posted by lbj:
My take on this is apparently different from ohter posts.

I don't think he was all that crazy if one believes the Bible.
He lived it by going there.

So he died, so what.
If he died in service to the Lord, he secured his spot in the afterlife doing the Lord's work.

I don't think most of us including me have the ability to put in all on the line for Christ.

He did.

I am in agreement with you. My Christian faith has taken me to some dicey remote areas in South America, but each trip was a risk I willing to take. As risky as they were, they did not compare to the certain death Chau walked into.

I am not sure he accomplished anything, but I am reminded of the End of the Spear story of Nate Saint and his missionary team reaching out to the Huaorani of Ecuador in the 1950s.

Christians that do this are generally not irrational or crazy. They are following the tenets of our faith and the command of Jesus Christ:

Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.
- Matthew 19:19-20


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Originally posted by Ronin1069:

I laughed hard at this!!

Rambo says it best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mbog72dajw8

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Originally posted by 911Boss:

I like it.

They seem to be Castle Doctrine practitioners.

I still don't see the missionary's death being murder. On the first day, they fired warning shots. On the second day, they hit him, took and broke his canoe such that he swam back to the fisherman's boat that brought him there. The third day, they killed him. Some learn fast, some slow and some don't learn.

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Originally posted by ArtieS:
Yes, it's murder. The two fishermen referenced in the article probably didn't want to be there, and probably didn't want to convert anyone to Christianity. I'm pretty sure that all they were trying to do was survive. They ended up on dry land only to be killed by a bunch of xenophobes simply for existing.

The Andaman Islands are the territory of the nation of India. As a country with a legal system based on that of Great Britain, and as a nation that abides by the United Nations guidelines on human rights, you can bet that elsewhere in India, it's not legal to kill people for trespassing, which is what happened here.

Obviously, I disagree that it's ok to kill trespassers simply because these people want to be left alone.

Those two fishermen were there illegally as well. I sort of agree with your viewpoint, in that I generally believe like you that it's not ok to kill somebody just because you don't want them in your home. However, I think I mostly feel that it's their island their rules. As has been pointed out, they escalated their attacks against this guy. Warning shots, injure him and break his boat, and then kill him. That happened over multiple trips. I don't know if the guy had a death wish, was just extremely stupid, or what. But when these people and their behavior are as well known as they are and you have to break the law just to get there...

It's pretty easy to not be killed by these people by following their pretty clear wishes and Indian law by just staying away.

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Originally posted by alptraum:

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Originally posted by ArtieS:
Yes, it's murder. The two fishermen referenced in the article probably didn't want to be there, and probably didn't want to convert anyone to Christianity. I'm pretty sure that all they were trying to do was survive. They ended up on dry land only to be killed by a bunch of xenophobes simply for existing.


The Andaman Islands are the territory of the nation of India. As a country with a legal system based on that of Great Britain, and as a nation that abides by the United Nations guidelines on human rights, you can bet that elsewhere in India, it's not legal to kill people for trespassing, which is what happened here.

Obviously, I disagree that it's ok to kill trespassers simply because these people want to be left alone.

Those two fishermen were there illegally as well. I sort of agree with your viewpoint, in that I generally believe like you that it's not ok to kill somebody just because you don't want them in your home. However, I think I mostly feel that it's their island their rules. As has been pointed out, they escalated their attacks against this guy. Warning shots, injure him and break his boat, and then kill him. That happened over multiple trips. I don't know if the guy had a death wish, was just extremely stupid, or what. But when these people and their behavior are as well known as they are and you have to break the law just to get there...

It's pretty easy to not be killed by these people by following their pretty clear wishes and Indian law by just staying away.

I have mixed feelings on the missionary. Was he warned? Yes. A few times. But he never presented with anything more than a Bible and worship songs. Don't want him there, fine. How about instead of killing him kick his ass but good then throw him back in the boat with a giant "fuck you" . Lots of folks respond well to that.........or else the mob won't have used the method. But whatever. He was warned, paid his money , and took his chances. I just hope it was quick.

The people that end up there by accident are a different story. The fishermen were fishing illegally yes, but they WERE NOT trying to fuck with the natives.

When I was a young boy we had a dump truck driver on medication plow through our retaining wall and into our backyard. Everyone survived including the dog which my father had taken out for a walk just moments before.

Some logic I'm seeing here indicates I would be justified running up to his truck and putting him down.

Somehow that does not seem justified.

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Originally posted by dar185:
The sad thing isn’t the ignorant atheists/agnostics that swarm to these threads. .

as an Agnostic, I feel he was free to do as he believed, just and you (and I) are free to do as we believe,


the only ignorant thing here is your comment, thinking all Agnostics are ignorant,,

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Originally posted by lyman:

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Originally posted by dar185:
The sad thing isn’t the ignorant atheists/agnostics that swarm to these threads. .

as an Agnostic, I feel he was free to do as he believed, just and you (and I) are free to do as we believe,

the only ignorant thing here is your comment, thinking all Agnostics are ignorant,,

Just a reason the "holier that thou" stereotype exists because there is plenty of truth to it.

Back OT, put yourself if the natives shoes.

Someone comes on your very remote private property, a person you cannot understand - you cannot understand his language nor the book he shows you.

You tell him to go away. But he stays on your property and accosts your family members all day long. They tell him to go away but he seems intent to stay and keeps trying to interact with your uninterested family members.

You use some measure of force to make him leave, you even injure him. You break up his camp and things. However he returns again and again.

Killing him, while unfortunate, seems very very logical in the scheme of things.