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The Unmanned Writer |
https://www.independent.co.uk/...r-guam-a9438446.html
The "Mr." part is very accurate (instead of "Captain") when the CO of a carrier just told the world he was incapable of keeping his mouth shut with regards to deployment capability and projection of force. Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it. "If dogs don't go to Heaven, I want to go where they go" Will Rogers The definition of the words we used, carry a meaning of their own... | ||
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The Carrier should be ready for Nuclear, Biological and Chemical warfare. And he's say He can't do anything to defend against this Virus? He should be unemployed or peeling potatoes. Thread Drift- I'd be paying attention to North Korea, China and Iran. NK and Iran especially- as they collapse from the burden they might lash out and attack someone. ____________________________________________________ The butcher with the sharpest knife has the warmest heart. | |||
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I highly doubt the CO "sent a letter to the Navy". He more likely sent a message through channels that someone decided to leak. Hedley Lamarr: Wait, wait, wait. I'm unarmed. Bart: Alright, we'll settle this like men, with our fists. Hedley Lamarr: Sorry, I just remembered . . . I am armed. | |||
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I think I'd sail the TR about twelve miles out, quarantine in place while placing everyone with symptoms on the appropriate meds. Maybe fly several specialists out to Guam, helo out to the ship with any equipment needed. Yes, he may be steering a desk the rest of his career. | |||
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This /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\! If someone in fact did leak this information, it should be treated as a serious offense, that greatly endangered the security of our country. As an officer, the CO had a duty to report the outbreak to his superiors. Especially since it could effect the ability of his ship to be utilized in an emergency (time of war). Is the outbreak itself an emergency? I believe it is, and if containment is possible through quarantine, it should be considered as a possible/necessary option. "I'm not fluent in the language of violence, but I know enough to get around in places where it's spoken." | |||
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The 'Mr' was inserted by the British paper and not the primary source. It's an internal letter, think he 'leaked it' or, somebody with an axe to grind within USN or, DoD? There's only 11-guys like him around (CO of a CVN), he's on-track to O-7, these guys are pretty bright (career aviation and accelerated nuke school) and don't normally F-up their careers by 'leaking' things. Dumber things have happened to Navy CO's so  He's not wrong, containing a contagion on a ship is impossible, considering the fatality rate for this virus is relatively low, they'd be better off letting it burn through the crew, and off-load those who have symptoms that need more care. | |||
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| I'd rather be hated for who I am than loved for who I am not |
I don't know why the sick cant be evaced to the nearest military hospital. I don't know the exact capabilities are for the sick bay on a carrier. But if you have 20 people that need a ventolator and only have 10. that is a problem. It seems to me that those decisions need to be made sooner than later!!! | |||
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semi-reformed sailor |
They should have stayed underway. Then send a message to whatever group commander he belongs to and awaited direction. And none of this should have been released. "Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.” Robert A. Heinlein “You may beat me, but you will never win.” sigmonkey-2020 “A single round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in an immediate change of behavior.” Chris Baker | |||
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I agree with many here that think someone else leaked the communique. IF the skipper did leak this, yeah, his career is likely over. I just don't see a CO of a nuclear aircraft carrier like the Teddy Ruxpin leaking a letter to the media. | |||
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| The Unmanned Writer |
This is my viewpoint also, especially after 23 years active, 9 years sea time, and 7 cruises with 5 of them on the flightdeck of carriers (Including WW Desert Storm). Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it. "If dogs don't go to Heaven, I want to go where they go" Will Rogers The definition of the words we used, carry a meaning of their own... | |||
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Festina Lente |
I'd like to read the CASREP he submitted... I'd say lack of healthy crew is mission critical. NRA Life Member - "Fear God and Dreadnaught" | |||
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IMo this isn't just a leak, I believe that this "leak" has been embellished to make the Captain appear like a total idiot. If I am correct this will have zero effect on the Captains career but the person who did this may quite likely spend a good number of years breaking rocks into smaller rocks. I also suspect that we won't ever hear about the Perp or his trial. I've stopped counting. | |||
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| Run Silent Run Deep |
At only 2% down???? Most at sea commands can lose upwards of 30% and still function efficiently. Port-and-starboard duty as opposed to three section. _____________________________ Pledge allegiance or pack your bag! The problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money. - Margaret Thatcher Spread my work ethic, not my wealth | |||
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THIS, I doubt he sent a letter to the media, someone leaked it. That being said, have you ever seen the bunk rooms on an aircraft carrier??? I could see the Corona Virus spreading like wildfire on a ship like that, that would make the cruise ship version a footnote. The good news, is most all of the enlisted are of an age where the virus isn't deadly to most all of them. How ready can a ship be if 5% of it's workforce are super Ill with more getting ill. Why they even leaked that the ship is in Guam to begin with, is beyond me. I don't think the CO decided to take the ship to Guam to quarantine, I believe that decision would have come from above. | |||
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Unflappable Enginerd |
It depends on which ratings(jobs) are hit the hardest, but pretty damn ready, actually. __________________________________ NRA Benefactor I lost all my weapons in a boating, umm, accident. http://www.aufamily.com/forums/ | |||
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| Go ahead punk, make my day |
Not really surprised that he wanted this done - because while carriers are prepped for CBR attacks (Chem, Bio, Nuke), it's not prepared to be a hospital ship for 50% of it's crew. I doubt he leaked it, but you never know these days. On all Navy ships, it is tight quarters and social distancing space just doesn't exist. People touch ladderwells, walls, spaces that everyone else uses all the time. Getting the 'cruise-hack' is normal as it spreads rapidly in the tight spaces, so it's not an easy thing to stop. And the medical department, while robust for a ship, isn't prepped to deal with 50 people on ventilators, much less 200 or 2000. Navy medical care pretty much sucks unless it involves slapping a bandage on it and giving you an aspirin. And we aren't "at war", nor have we been "at war" since WW2. We've been fighting wars we choose to fight, that is all. Carriers are big fun chess pieces for CINCs to play with, but if one is sidelined for 2-4 week because of the virus, who cares? They have been late before because they have been over work, under maintained, or just plain broke down. | |||
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| The Unmanned Writer |
WE had a food poisoning type virus go through the forward wardroom. Needless to say, after the third plane (in a row) did a cat-shot and come right back to land, the Boss shutdown flight ops. A lot of the ship thought it was funny pilots were shatting themselves until it was realized, we had NO air cover. Only thing worse than a carrier not having air cover is a carrier tied up to the pier and unable to get underway. In this situation, both officers and crew would / could come together for an all-hands scrub-ex of the ship to minimize spread and, blocking off a berthing or two for those who are sick. The new twist comes in with the ship being co-ed and needing multiple berthings when a single one could've sufficed. Either way, a classified SITREP and remaining 20 miles of the coast of Guam is likely a better place to be. But then again, the ship didn't tie up before AIRPAC, CINCPAC, CNO, and CinC (who likely gave the direction) all knew. knew what was happening Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it. "If dogs don't go to Heaven, I want to go where they go" Will Rogers The definition of the words we used, carry a meaning of their own... | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine  |
Agreed. He is probably asking for help through the chain of command. That is acceptable. Anyone smart enough to be in command of a fleet carrier is unlikely to be that stupid. I wonder if he could put the sick sailors ashore until they recover since the ship is currently docked. Maybe there is no place for them. On the other hand, surely someone has tents, or an empty barracks. Something. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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I now Guam can be top heavy and susceptible to toppling over, but couldn't you off load them and let them camp under coconut trees for a few weeks? I'd imagine the Pacific Marines of WW2 and Civil War soldiers would gladly trade places with these guys. P229 | |||
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