An interesting development. Both Russia's request and China's response might be an indication of their relationship, as well as Russia's needs during this war.

[Note: photo and hyperlinks found at linked website article.]

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Russia requests economic, military aid from China amid Ukraine war, say US officials

Russia has sensationally turned to China for military and economic assistance as the war in Ukraine continues to ravage on.


Tyrone Clarke
Digital Reporter
2 min read
March 14, 2022 - 12:46PM

Russia has requested military and economic aid from China, according to US officials, as Vladimir Putin’s brutal invasion of Ukraine continues.

As Russian forces continue to circle Kyiv, multiple US media outlets have confirmed Moscow has asked Beijing for assistance.

According to the New York Times, on top of reported military aid including drones, China has been approached to provide further economic help as Russia continues to be slammed from western sanctions.

The officials have refused to reveal details of the intelligence, but it comes as National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan is set to meet his Chinese counterpart Yang Jiechi in Rome on Monday.

Mr Sullivan on Sunday said the United States was “watching closely” whether China does provide further support.

“It is a concern of ours,” he told CNN.

“And we have communicated to Beijing that we will not stand by and allow any country to compensate Russia for its losses from the economic sanctions.

“There will absolutely be consequences for large-scale sanctions evasion efforts or support to Russia to backfill them.”

Despite reports of military requests, a spokesperson for China’s embassy in Washington told CNN that he had “never heard of that”.

“The current situation in Ukraine is indeed disconcerting,” Liu Pengyu said.

"The high priority now is to prevent the tense situation from escalating or even getting out of control. China calls for exercising utmost restraint and preventing a massive humanitarian crisis."

As the United States, the EU, Australia and countries across the world continue to level severe sanctions on Russia’s elite and its major institutions, China has moved to support its ally in Moscow.

The two countries signed a “no-limits” friendship treaty only weeks before Vladimir Putin launched his invasion, while reports have emerged that Beijing urged Moscow to hold off the war until after the Olympics.

China also went ahead with easing trade restrictions on Russian wheat just as western sanctions begin to target Moscow’s financial systems and institutions as well as the country’s most powerful and wealthiest individuals.

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian recently hit out at Western retaliatory measures and said “wielding the big stick of sanctions” would not solve the war in Ukraine.

“It has been long proven that rather than addressing the problem, sanctions will create new problems,” he said during his daily press briefing on Thursday.

“The US should not impose so-called sanctions and long-arm jurisdiction on Chinese companies and individuals or undermine the legitimate rights and interests of China, otherwise China will make strong and resolute response.”

Hmmmm, Seem's like a few things happening that the Prez should be out and about and active and communicative with the American public. Not to mention just a few things on the stove at home. You know, on top of things.
Maybe there isn't anything going on any place, here there or anywhere.

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:
Hmmmm, Seem's like a few things happening that the Prez should be out and about and active and communicative with the American public...

Nope, he's busy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...-political-activity/

Biden to attend first in-person fundraiser as he ramps up political activity

By Tyler Pager and Michael Scherer
March 12, 2022 at 6:50 p.m. EST

President Biden will attend a small, high-dollar fundraiser Monday night to support the Democratic Party, marking the president’s first in-person fundraiser since taking office, according to two people with knowledge of the plans.

The event, which has already raised more than $3 million for the Democratic National Committee, comes as the president ramps up fundraising efforts ahead of the midterms and amid frustration among Democratic donors with Biden’s limited number of fundraising events.

The event, which will take place in Washington but not at the White House, is expected to draw Democrats focused on climate and environmental issues, the people said. They spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe an event that has not been announced.

The White House and the Democratic National Committee declined to comment.

Most Democratic fundraising events have been held virtually because of the pandemic, but donors have been agitating to get more face time with the president especially as cases of the coronavirus decline. Biden and Vice President Harris attended the DNC’s in-person winter holiday party in December, though the event was not a fundraiser.

White House officials have said Biden will increase his political activity in the coming months as he works to help Democrats ahead of the midterms. This week, Biden spoke to Democratic House and Senate members at their respective retreats and delivered a speech to DNC members at their winter meeting in Washington.

“We need to bring some real determination, the same work ethic, the same enthusiasm,” Biden told DNC members on Thursday. “And if we do that, we’re going to keep the House and keep the Senate and add seats. And by the way, if we don’t do that — if we don’t do that, it’s going to be a sad, sad two years. Think about Republicans if they had control of the Congress these last two years.”

Harris is also expected to ramp up her political engagements. She called into a virtual DNC fundraiser earlier this month and spoke at the DNC meeting on Saturday.

The Republican National Committee narrowly outraised the DNC last year, bringing in $158.6 million compared with the DNC’s $151 million. The DNC said its haul was a record for the committee in a nonpresidential election year.

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White House officials have said Biden will increase his political activity in the coming months as he works to help Democrats ahead of the midterms.

They should avail the 'resident' POTATUS to be out there 'helping' the Democrats at every opportunity. Every one of these America hating leftists should be inseparably linked to this doddering and incompetent geriatric 'gaff machine'!

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
Dear Vlad,

You screwed-up.

Sincerely,
ensigmatic

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Possible Outcomes of the Russo-Ukrainian War and China’s Choice
by US-China Perception Monitor March 12, 2022March 12, 2022 Commentaries

Hu Wei is the vice-chairman of the Public Policy Research Center of the Counselor’s Office of the State Council, the chairman of Shanghai Public Policy Research Association, the chairman of the Academic Committee of the Chahar Institute, a professor, and a doctoral supervisor. To read more by Hu, click here to read his article on “How did Deng Xiaoping coordinate domestic and international affairs?”

Written on March 5, 2022. Translated by Jiaqi Liu on March 12, 2022.

The Russo-Ukrainian War is the most severe geopolitical conflict since World War II and will result in far greater global consequences than September 11 attacks. At this critical moment, China needs to accurately analyze and assess the direction of the war and its potential impact on the international landscape. At the same time, in order to strive for a relatively favorable external environment, China needs to respond flexibly and make strategic choices that conform to its long-term interests.

Russia’s ‘special military operation’ against Ukraine has caused great controvsery in China, with its supporters and opponents being divided into two implacably opposing sides. This article does not represent any party and, for the judgment and reference of the highest decision-making level in China, this article conducts an objective analysis on the possible war consequences along with their corresponding countermeasure options.

Full article: Possible Outcomes of the Russo-Ukrainian War and China’s Choice

It is unclear to me whether this is Beijing's official position, whether Beijing asked the author for an analysis, or just what this is, but the analysis doesn't bode well for Putin, in any event.

(Btw: Not to toot my own horn, but I could almost have written Part I on Day 1. Main difference being I had not expected Putin's army to perform so abysmally. I expected him to occupy Ukraine in short order.)

Russia's intents are already accomplished. They were complaining about bio lab research for a decade, and the existence of right wing military groups in the country. Both are now substantially proven with the labs turning out to be even worse than we suspected. The DOD has been financing gain of function and pathogen research in those facilities in the Ukraine.

With some of those labs less than 75 miles from the border Russia doesn't need to overwhelm the Ukraine - the "surrender terms" don't even require Zelensky to resign. What remains is the dissolution of the Asov battalion, and Ukraine not joining NATO - which has grown from the initial 12 nations to thirty. It's almost tripled in size since the beginning, how is that not an expansion beyond it's charter? Don't forget, they don't pay their share, either, Germany only contributed 2% of their NATO obligation until Trump made it an issue.

Imagine what we could do if our Defense budget expense could be used to finance free health care for Americans? Nope, what we get are a few prosthetics for those who survive these adventures into world domination. We won't even make silencers standard issue - yet Korea uses American sourced silencers for their entire Army.

Having introduced the evidence to the UN, other countries are now signing on to the investigation why America was conducting illegal research and which of the other 326 facilities around the world are involved. And it's already been suggested that if they were, how much better to blame someone else for it's release? If Russia is the source of all the unproven and undocumented election turnover in 2016, blaming Wuhan for a side street delivery of a virus invented somewhere else isn't out of the pale. It's naive to brush off the suggestion.

We still haven't figured out if the 44th President was a legal US citizen - plenty of old news stories claim he wasn't. And they are from an era of more honest journalism. Not to forget - Lugar and Obama started the bio research funding in 2005, Obama overthrew the legitimate Ukraine government in 2014, and the sons of Biden, Pelosi, Kerry and Romney are all on corporate energy boards hauling down money from their seats. With no prior experience. It's been called out pay for play years ago, yet now it's ignored in the drumbeat to go to war in what is actually a minor dispute.

The histrionics of the Chinese report saying this is a major conflict are deliberately over the top - and expecting Russia to have completely taken over Ukraine is doesn't match with the intents announced in their peace terms. The reality is that Russia's strike at the corruption in Ukraine has the current administration in a panic over what to do - there aren't square miles of Kiev burning to exploit, or ports destroyed - in fact, the natural gas and oil to Europe is still flowing, keeping their countries warm and fueling their cars to go to work. We haven't begun to see true economic sanctions on NATO - which would have a major impact on even being able to mobilize. How do they get brigades called up, assembled and on the border to attack if the pipelines had been bombed, or worse, shut off?

The lack of logistical thinking in the news shows how important it really is. Nobody wants or needs to poke the bear, it would be a catastrophic collapse of economies. Germany may even have to allow wood burning stoves to be used and abandon it's outrageous fines for disposing of the Christmas wrapping paper.

Knowing this is why all the speculation over an atomic demolition to blame it on the Russians. Then the pipeline can be shut down to make it real for the European peoples as a gambit to blame Russia, when in fact it's NATO and the Biden administration hip deep in protecting his family investments in Ukraine that is the real provocation.

Russia working with China? Or, alternative ways to route oil and gas sales to keep the Russian economy afloat while the leftist EU is brought to the negotiating table? We've gone from "there's no reason Russia needed to do this" to "there are no bio labs or Nazis" to "ok, Obama did fund some and yeah there is a unit using bad boy insignia" to "Omg there is GOF research and yeah they do use swastikas" to " the UN received evidence of pathogen research, there are Nazis in the Ukraine." Which is exactly what the surrender terms demanded to be addressed.

And who is supporting Ukraine in all this? The Administration, RINOS, investors of those two groups, George Soros, and Charles Schwab the international banker who had his branch outlet in Russia shown to the door. He can't make money on lending Russia their cash and requiring they pay interest on it if Russia goes on the Gold Standard, he just lost the biggest financial input in his European banking dominance.

Imagine how much he would lose if the not a Federal not a Reserve Banks here stopped charging interest on what they lend the US government to keep the country floating. That is a fact, folks - we have to pay it all back, with interest.

If the Ukraine scam falls apart the Ukraine people will be liberated from an imposed government - and the Administration is trying to keep it going, not dismantle the currupt kingpin of their system. That is where we are in this - yet so many have taken the media narrative hook line and sinker, AGAIN, even after 6 years of fake news. Now we know how the Nazi's took over in Germany. You simply lie over and over and nobody questions it anymore.

How about we sell blue and yellow crack pipes to support Ukraine? Supporting Ukraine right now is supporting OBAMA's overthrow of its legitimately elected government in 2014 and further the ends of the people who are trying to destroy us. It's not the oil developers shutting down pumps when the first thing Biden did was shut down the XL pipeline.

Ramp up his political activity? Shouldn’t that mean leading the nation instead of stumping for donations? What a pack of assholes democRATs are.

Ramping up his political activity means taking slightly shorter naps.

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Originally posted by Tirod:
Russia's intents are already accomplished.

Well, I suppose if Putin's interests were:

• Trashing Ukraine
  
• Trashing the Russian economy
  
• Getting a bunch of Russia's military hardware stolen or trashed
  
• Trashing Russia's military's image
  
• Getting a bunch of people killed
  

You're right: He did.

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Originally posted by Tirod:
Russia's intents are already accomplished. They were complaining about bio lab research for a decade, and the existence of right wing military groups in the country. Both are now substantially proven with the labs turning out to be even worse than we suspected. The DOD has been financing gain of function and pathogen research in those facilities in the Ukraine.

Got a link to verify this claim re: 'gain of function research' in those facilities? I don't think it's been established/verified with any credibility exactly how many labs there are, and exactly what they've been doing there. All we 'really' know is that the US State Dept AND the US Defense Dept. are involved, and that they didn't want anyone to find out about it!

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Originally posted by Tirod:


.....Blah, blah, blah....

Dude you sound like a Saturday Night Live sketch making fun of QANON people. It's getting rather tiresome. Post links or other evidence or go away.

It was this same type of habit of repeatedly posting unsubstantiated BS gleaned from conspiracy theorists and whatever other out-there sources he frequents that recently got Tirod banned from another prominent gun forum...

I hope he's realizing that the members here on this forum have an even lower tolerance for that.

(It's actually become a meme over there. Now, when someone else wades in with QAnon or other conspiracy BS, folks respond with stuff like "Oh boy, another Tirod thread!" and funny pics to that same effect.)

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Originally posted by gearhounds:
Ramp up his political activity? Shouldn’t that mean leading the nation instead of stumping for donations? What a pack of assholes democRATs are.

The Dems are realizing that they are in deep shit this November and are in panic mode at this point. Dementia Joe's lame attempt to blame skyrocketing prices of everything on Putin just isn't being believed by the American public as a whole.

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White House officials have said Biden will increase his political activity in the coming months as he works to help Democrats ahead of the midterms.

I am absolutely 110% in favor of this behavior. Everything Biden touches turns to shit. There should be no question about that at this point. Please dear god, let him take his ~30% approval rating (and dropping) and sack of retarded lies out to the American public and tie all these incumbent Dem's to him and his failures. If he does this, he'll add exponentially to the coming Repub wave in November.

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:

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Originally posted by Tirod:
Russia's intents are already accomplished. They were complaining about bio lab research for a decade, and the existence of right wing military groups in the country. Both are now substantially proven with the labs turning out to be even worse than we suspected. The DOD has been financing gain of function and pathogen research in those facilities in the Ukraine.

Got a link to verify this claim re: 'gain of function research' in those facilities? I don't think it's been established/verified with any credibility exactly how many labs there are, and exactly what they've been doing there. All we 'really' know is that the US State Dept AND the US Defense Dept. are involved, and that they didn't want anyone to find out about it!

It’s such a super duper secret that there’s a fair amount of information about the program on the State Department website for the embassy to Ukraine. The page has been up since April 2020.

https://ua.usembassy.gov/embas...t-reduction-program/

Hopefully the plan is for the potato to personally stump throughout the country to 'help' their candidates. That should effectively seal the deal.

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Originally posted by maladat:

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:

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Originally posted by Tirod:
Russia's intents are already accomplished. They were complaining about bio lab research for a decade, and the existence of right wing military groups in the country. Both are now substantially proven with the labs turning out to be even worse than we suspected. The DOD has been financing gain of function and pathogen research in those facilities in the Ukraine.

Got a link to verify this claim re: 'gain of function research' in those facilities? I don't think it's been established/verified with any credibility exactly how many labs there are, and exactly what they've been doing there. All we 'really' know is that the US State Dept AND the US Defense Dept. are involved, and that they didn't want anyone to find out about it!

It’s such a super duper secret that there’s a fair amount of information about the program on the State Department website for the embassy to Ukraine. The page has been up since April 2020.

https://ua.usembassy.gov/embas...t-reduction-program/

That's great, I'm aware of that website, as well as the fact that certain information had been removed from it recently.

That said, that website says NOTHING about 'Gain of Function' research...

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:
That's great, I'm aware of that website, as well as the fact that certain information had been removed from it recently.

That said, that website says NOTHING about 'Gain of Function' research...

Of course it doesn't, that's completely unfounded conspiracy theorist bullshit.

At least, the way Tirod is bandying about "gain of function research" like Putin is desperate to keep us from developing super anthraxebolarabies that only kills Russians is completely unfounded conspiracy theorist bullshit.

There's nothing secret about the "biological research labs" that the US helped fund in Ukraine. They're the same sort of public health research labs that are found in virtually every decent-sized modern country and that the US has helped fund all over the world for ages, mostly to try to reduce the chance that we get blindsided by some new disease (or new disease outbreak) that pops up in a country with poor public health infrastructure.

Will somebody tell Putin that, so his troops can go home?

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:
It was this same type of habit of repeatedly posting unsubstantiated BS gleaned from conspiracy theorists and whatever other out-there sources he frequents that recently got Tirod banned from another prominent gun forum...

So this is a long term break from reality, not just a short term "He is off his meds again" sort of thing?