At what point does the public have a right to know? Why do we know who the co pilot and other member on board is? And not know who the pilot is? Why hide the info?
Give me a break on hiding it for her safety. The cubs fan was in more danger for his safety.
So much for transparency. Did you read the part of my post about if it was a male pilot?

I know, nothing to it or to see here. I get it.

In a Republic, important information is not hidden from the public. Citizens choose politicians to represent them, and if they are not well-informed, they can't make those choices.


"At this stage, no the pubic doesn’t have the “right to know” the identity of the service member." --jljones


The Biden administration did not think that people had a right to know anything. He hid everything. It is only because Trump brought the issue of DEI to the people that we know the truth of it.

There are rights that are codified in the Bill of Rights, for instance. Others are implicit in a free and open society.

Aviation is indeed a small world. Just learned that the FO on the regional jet is the son of one of the Captains at my company. Terrible news.

The PAT25 pilot will be named in time. It’s regarded as public information.

I have no opinion as to whether she was DEI hire. Other folks on this board have experience in service where perhaps they’ve seen examples of it.

As far as FAA, my experience with controllers has always been professional and accommodating. In this case though, it would seem the accident might have been avoided had the controller given PAT25 vector to avoid the CRJ.

Anybody in safety or aviation will tell you that there are always numerous things that culminate in an accident.

I know it’s human nature to speculate cause. But, we’d all be best served to reserve judgment until NTSB has determined cause.

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:
At what point does the public have a right to know? Why do we know who the co pilot and other member on board is? And not know who the pilot is? Why hide the info?
Give me a break on hiding it for her safety. The cubs fan was in more danger for his safety.
So much for transparency. Did you read the part of my post about if it was a male pilot?

I know, nothing to it or to see here. I get it.

Some of you guys are strung way too tight. The emotional “nothing to see here” as if somehow it legitimizes being nosey.

I’m more than willing to give the families of the victims (yeah that’s right, DEI or not, they’re victims) the time they need to notify who they need to and to do things on their terms. They have just as much a “right” to that as the one you claim to know the identities. You knowing the ID isn’t going to change the outcome.

Has there been an official releases of the identity of all on board the jet liner? Does that offend you as well?

The race to speculate is a rot on our society. Giving the families grace in this time of difficulty far outweighs being a damn vulture.

jl you have a few members that you obviously struggle with and regardless of the topic have trouble coping with their opinions and thoughts. It is called an obsession.
You need to work on that.

And you’re passive aggressive with everyone.

Adulting is hard for you. You’re just not used to hearing differing opinions, and you’ve been told all your life that you’re special, and now you resort to blaming the other person who calls you out for acting like a ghoul.

Sorry

Everyone, hmmm. If you have an obsessive disorder than to you, everything thing I say and everyone I say it to is passive aggressive I guess.

I stand by the things I talked about it this thread on the topic. I never said that anyone in this thread was wrong.

Maybe putting me and anyone else you struggle with on your ignore list.

OK, guys

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Yes sir

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Originally posted by justjoe: We need to understand how/why this happened, and if the unnamed pilot was a DEI hire, that is enormously important

How will knowing her name tell you whether or not she was a DEI hire?

Her name is Joan Smith, DEI hire or not?

They could post all the pictures of her you want and how are you going to determine whether or not she was a DEI hire? Same with the ATCs in the DCA tower.

Why is nobody questioning whether or not the other two pilots were retards? Or the pilots of the CRJ? Their names and pictures are out there. Were they at the bottom of their class or the top? You must know, right? You can tell by their name and pictures.

So what’s the real reason then that people are clamoring for her and the ATCs to be ID’d?

We have members whose daughters are in the prestigious traditionally male dominated schools. Diversity hires? Ask the fathers to their faces and find out.

Just so we are clear, DEI is evil. I’ve been looking at colleges, internship opportunities, jobs, scholarships etc. for my kids and there’s a reason I’ve been telling them for years that they have to be that much better than the next person. My kids don’t check enough boxes to as good as the next person and have any shot.

I don't think JL is insisting that the name shouldn't be made known eventually but just saying a little grace and patience is not a bad idea.

Does the public have a vested interest in the identity? Sure, I don't think any logical person would deny that, it just doesn't need to be immediately. Give it a little time. Despite our desire to be a nation of immediate gratification, it isn't always possible, prudent, or proper.

Due course, and have some faith in the new administration to get it right.

Prayers for the families of all affected, but especially for the families of the children lost.

Just to be clear, The only reason I brought this up was that identifying two crew members but not the 3rd seemed odd.
Had they not done that and waited to identify the helo crew at a later date I would of been fine with that.

That is a good point slosig. I just remember seeing a pix of two of them.

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:
Just to be clear, The only reason I brought this up was that identifying two crew members but not the 3rd seemed odd.
Had they not done that and waited to identify the helo crew at a later date I would have been fine with that.

I think I read somewhere that one of the military crew members was ID’d by his wife and another by the governor(?). Has there been an official announcement from the military about any of the crew members? If there has, one might be curious as to why announce some but not all. If not, then they’re not ready to announce yet. They may not be able to control what others do, but I’d assume they can schedule announcements when they’re ready to make announcements.

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:
Just to be clear, The only reason I brought this up was that identifying two crew members but not the 3rd seemed odd.
Had they not done that and waited to identify the helo crew at a later date I would of been fine with that.

I agree, it does seem odd and is sure to breed speculation... but I can wait more than 24-48 hours before losing patience.

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Has there been an official announcement from the military about any of the crew members

It was announced by the Army yesterday and they said the woman’s family asked that her name not be revealed. I think there’s link posted on previous pages, but I’m fairly sure it was army.mil.

Here’s another one:

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Originally posted by Carpentermaass84:
It would be really strange for Trump to mention something as specific as dwarfism and mental handicaps in a speech this soon after a tragedy without knowing ahead of time the person responsible for the accident fits both of these descriptions. I am going to go out on a limb and guess the air traffic controller was a DEI hire with zero experience or knowledge of how to direct flight paths. The media will be eating crow in a few days when this fact is revealed.

This guy knows the ATC has zero experience or knowledge of the job. He doesn’t even need a name or a picture.

None of us know whether or not any individual in this story was a DEI hire. Names and photos won’t change that.

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Originally posted by trapper189:

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Has there been an official announcement from the military about any of the crew members

It was announced by the Army yesterday and they said the woman’s family asked that her name not be revealed. I think there’s link posted on previous pages, but I’m fairly sure it was army.mil.

Read my post on the top of page 6.

It’s been reported that withholding the identification of the third soldier was at the request of her family. One stunningly obvious reason why they may have requested that is to delay having to deal with a crowd of ghouls camped out in front of their home and shouting, “Mrs. Jones, how does it feel to know that your daughter’s incompetence was the direct cause of the deaths of 66 other people, including a group of children?”

And once the identification is released and in addition to knowing their sex we know what her race was along with what, if any, religion she followed, then what? Will we assume that one or more of those characteristics was the only reason she was flying the helicopter? There are names for such beliefs and if DEI policies are bad, so is assuming with no evidence that anyone in a particular group was hired only because of those policies. A baseless assumption of that sort is not only an insult to the individual, but also to everyone else in the group whose success was not due to whatever we assume was some particular privilege.

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Originally posted by 229DAK:
Read my post on the top of page 6.

Thanks! I had skipped the link the first time through, and clearly didn’t read very carefully. Having scrolled through several articles at the link, it appears the unidentified crew member was a captain. I wonder who was the pilot flying and who was the check airman. I imagine it will all come out eventually.

I would really like to hear the CVR from the Blackhawk. I would think that would shed a lot of light on what happened.

Everyone happy now?

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