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Originally posted by stoic-one:
Coward County Sheriff is now stating through his attorney that he thought the shooter was outside. Uh huh.

Hahaha, those fucking cowardly scumbags know the jig is up - time to lawyer up of course. Pension pension pension!

Always liked his take, and I think he hits a number of nails on the head with this one.

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Coward County Sheriff is now stating through his attorney that he thought the shooter was outside.

Well, that is understandable, as in many school shootings the shooter stays outside the school and tries to pick off students through the windows. It happened that way in...let's see...no, maybe that's not the one... well, come to think of it NEVER.

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Originally posted by rusbro:

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Originally posted by 911Boss:
Doesn’t look like its been discussed, but I heard on the news yesterday that the school district is asking for $23 million to demo the building where it took place and then build a new one on the site.

I get that the building would maybe cause some issues for survivors, but this idea seems a touch expensive and unnecessary to me, especially at such a cost.

Maybe they could get by with some remodel and reconfiguration, rename it and dedicate it the victims for a WHOLE lot less.


Thoughts?

It's stupid to demolish the building. They'll still be inhabiting the exact location where the horror took place, and removing the building won't erase the memory.

What will they do if there's another tragedy at that location in the new building, bulldoze it, too?

It would be much wiser to put those millions into security enhancements for the entire campus.

For nine years I regularly went into a building where people I knew were murdered by monsters.

But tearing down the Pentagon was not an option ever considered.

I think the building should be remodeled, like the Pentagon, to harden it, and used for the next school year.

Take any kid who is traumatized on a tour to show them how the building will never contribute to the problem, and may in fact prevent a recurrence. Teach them what they can do to prevent a recurrence (e.g., first aid, FIGHT, run, hide). Otherwise they are forever the victim and never the victor.

Otherwise the murderer has one more taste of success, having literally killed the building that was the target of his psychopathy.

Hey look, here's a shot of the whole department practicing hiding behind the vehicle, just like the deputies on scene at the school did...

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Originally posted by justjoe:
Well, that is understandable, as in many school shootings the shooter stays outside the school and tries to pick off students through the windows. It happened that way in...let's see...no, maybe that's not the one... well, come to think of it NEVER.

There have been exterior school shooters before. Interior active shooters are much more common, but it's not accurate to say that there has never been an exterior school shooter.

Like Jonesboro, Arkansas in 1998, which was the first of the modern high-profile mass school shootings, predating even Columbine by a year. The fire alarm was pulled by one shooter (just like this this Florida shooting). The first shooter then left the school and took up a position in the woods outside the school with a second shooter. The two shooters then used rifles to pick off students and teachers as they exited the building for the fire alarm/drill.


Specifically regarding your proposed example of someone shooting into windows from outside, just such a school shooting occurred in Rancho Tehama, California a few months ago in November 2017. Guy rams his truck through the gate of an elementary school, then because the school building itself is locked, goes into the central quad and begins firing into windows and through walls with his AR15.


There are other examples as well. If you have time and want to dig further into interior vs. exterior, here's a Wikipedia link with info and links on all the school shootings in the US:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...in_the_United_States

The sad truth is that, specifically because of the new emphasis on locked doors in schools, lockdown drills, etc., I expect the number of exterior school shooters will only increase from here on out.


Yes, it's potentially just a lame excuse in this case. But an exterior shooter is not an impossibility, and shouldn't be outright dismissed as preposterous.

Especially considering that in this specific Florida shooting, some of the victims were reportedly hit while outside the building, and more students were continuing to exit the building due to the fire alarm. When this Florida investigation is complete, I suspect it will reveal that a portion of this shooting did occur outside, based just on the limited information released on the location of victims.

Could have been cowardice. Could have been confusion/bad info/lack of info/etc. about the actual location of the shooter. Very likely could have been a combination of those, resulting in "vapor lock" in the SRO's mind. The old idea of a "fight or flight" response is only partially accurate. It's now recognized that there are at least three common physiological responses to stressful, confusing situations: fight, flight, or freeze. (Some combat psychologists go even further, adding in one or more additional options, like posture or submit, depending on how detailed they want to get.)

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Originally posted by stoic-one:
Coward County Sheriff is now stating through his attorney that he thought the shooter was outside. Uh huh.

How many kids were outside? What did the coward do do engage the shooter who he thought was outside?

If all he did was hide behind his car then it doesn't matter where the shooter was since he wan't trying to stop him.

Dirtbag coward is just giving another lame excuse to justify his cowardice. First, it was his "took up position outside" line. Now, it's "he thought the shooter was outside."

Granted, the shooter COULD have been outside. However, it seems this guy hid behind his concrete pillar for minutes while his kids were being murdered. If he thought the shooter was outside, why didn't he run towards this 'outdoors shooter?'

More lies and misdirection. Seems EVERYBODY knew the shooter was indoors. All except for Barny Fife here.

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Originally posted by stoic-one:
Coward County Sheriff is now stating through his attorney that he thought the shooter was outside. Uh huh.

This Sheriff has more excuses than a 5 year old caught with his hand in the cookie jar

So my republican representative has flipped and is against the future sales of AR15s. I voted for Brian Mast and I feel betrayed. After all he has been through in his life, I thought he had more fight in him
He may as well convert to D.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/201.../search/Brian%20mast

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by slosig:

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Originally posted by justjoe:
Their names should not be mentioned. Their photos should not be displayed. The absolutely stupid question-- "Why did he do it?"-- should not be raised. ("Because he is a fucking monster" is the answer. End of story.)

Agree with all the above except the part about the why. If several reports about psychotropic drugs being a common factor in almost all School shootings are correct that should be aired out in public and changes made.

Well, the people who are on these drugs are on them for a reason, that being that they are somewhat screwed up in the head to begin with.

Thinking back to high school, there was a lot going on. Hormonally, mentally, socially, educationally. Of course back then we either sucked it up and carried on, or in extreme cases, went and talked with some sort of counselor. I had a few friends tell me that just hearing that everyone else is going through the same stuff helped a lot.

It seems like these days, if Johnnie has trouble sitting still, give him a pill. If Johnnie is upset, distressed, depressed, whatever, give him a pill.

Does it bother you at all that among the many side effects listed on many of these pills are “Suicidal ideation” and/or “Homicidal ideation”?

Screwing around with the chemistry of a developing brain might not to be something that we as a society should accept and be blasé about.

I love the interview on Fox with survivor Kyle Kashuv. Well spoken, intelligent and rational.

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:

But damn. anyone who does not realize those kids in a goddammned gun free kill box had no fucking chance, and you wait outside for any reason at all....?

Cannot do it. Cannot find anything that computes.

Here's the thing, slick. I don't care if I have a broken bottle in one hand, and a can opener in the other. When shots start going down range, it's time to go in, no matter who says no. Give me a Glock and body armor, and there is definitely no reason I can't win.

I don't want to hear from these excuse laden people how this guy was "Outgunned". The kids inside were "outgunned". He was in a position to achieve victory. He squandered it and went from hero to zero in about 5 minutes. Now it is time for those cowardly fucks, and those whom support them to pay the price.

I think when this is all said and done that Israel's fingerprints will be all over this. I bet that it was BSO's policy not to go in without a bunch of officers. We may never know, though. It took almost 4 years for it to come out that the Newtown response was delayed because they had to wait for the Chief to arrive, him to put on body armor and get a gun before they could make entry. Five years later, seems that not much has changed in some places.

Agreed. Great post.

Does anyone else not like how this douchebag Sheriff (more a politician than Sheriff IMO) wears 4 stars on his lapel like that? He really fancies himself a big deal!

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Originally posted by Tommydogg:
So my republican representative has flipped and is against the future sales of AR15s. I voted for Brian Mast and I feel betrayed. After all he has been through in his life, I thought he had more fight in him
He may as well convert to D.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/201.../search/Brian%20mast

Sounds like the POS scumbag may have recently received a bribe, er, campaign donation from someone for his betrayal.
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Originally posted by justjoe:

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Coward County Sheriff is now stating through his attorney that he thought the shooter was outside.

Well, that is understandable, as in many school shootings the shooter stays outside the school and tries to pick off students through the windows. It happened that way in...let's see...no, maybe that's not the one... well, come to think of it NEVER.

First I am NOT defending the Coward County Sheriffs Deputies.

Actually it has happened before:

1. Jonesboro Arkansas school shooting in 1998.

2. Columbine: the plan was for the bomb to go off in the lunch room forcing evacuation to the parking lot where the shooters and more bombs were waiting. When bomb didn't go off, shooters entered school and started shooting.

There have been several other would be school shooters who were going to use the fire alarm to get students and staff outside lined up with no cover around.

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Originally posted by PASig:
Does anyone else not like how this douchebag Sheriff (more a politician than Sheriff IMO) wears 4 stars on his lapel like that? He really fancies himself a big deal!

It is pretty typical of various sheriffs and small town police chiefs wear more medals and insignia than a third world dictator. They fancy themselves the new "General Patton".

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Originally posted by Tommydogg:
So my republican representative has flipped and is against the future sales of AR15s. I voted for Brian Mast and I feel betrayed. After all he has been through in his life, I thought he had more fight in him
He may as well convert to D.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/201.../search/Brian%20mast

Email his office, voice your displeasure with his "me too" reactionary stance and that if he is considering running again that he move to the D party as he will never get your vote.

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Originally posted by PASig:
Does anyone else not like how this douchebag Sheriff (more a politician than Sheriff IMO) wears 4 stars on his lapel like that?

A lot of Sheriffs do.

Our sheriff (Louisville Metro/Jefferson County, KY) wears only eagles on his collar; population 620,000+ in 2016. Most Kentucky sheriffs wear eagles.