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Originally posted by oldbill123:
I initially blamed the Officer. Then I thought, if I was at a alternative school for malcontents would I be willing to take a bullet for them when I could just retire ? Of course teachers are in need of protecting, but schools,especially inner city, are not the havens of safety being portrayed. Contact with the students probably would not be a positive experience. I will wait for more info to come out

You need to do yourself a favor and refrain from posting again in this thread. This deputy was a sworn officer of the law. He chose a career that has the potential for being deadly. He might have gone his entire career without ever having even to put his hand on his pistol, but he found himself in the thick of one of the worst. He failed to do his duty.

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Originally posted by Chuck Perry:
That article, and the other articles linked throughout it, is unreal. This shooting is the final result of years of bad policy. I think Sheriff Israel needs to start typing up a resignation also.

And the entire school board.

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Originally posted by Ronin1069:
So many men and women who would have given almost anything to have been there with a weapon in hand.

This will become a rallying call to the anti-gun folks as to why arming staff at the school cannot work. “If a trained law enforcement officer could not stop this ... blah...blah....blah."

If we did a forum death pool, I would add him today. Don’t be surprised if you read over the next year that he’s committed suicide.

Right or wrong, he’s just made him self a social media and news target to be blamed for some of the deaths.

I've been watching this thread, but when the news broke of the School Resource "Officer " not engaging the shooter, I became furious.

How about this being a rallying cry for US!!

"If you see something, say something." Done. It appears that local and federal law enforcement didn't "do something." Multiple dropped chances.

"Only trained LEO should have guns on campus (or even anywhere)." Done. This deputy didn't "do something." He was on site, armed, had the "training " to intercede. Just didn't act.

So to all the people who are anti- law abiding citizens carrying guns, I say that the .gov has proven that they can not protect me nor the community.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
Reports are Scott Peterson was the SRO of the school for 10 years.

He likely knew & interacted with the shooter multiple times over the years, along with all the students at the school.

Assuming this information is accurate, it's interesting that the known presence of an armed officer didn't deter the killer.

What bugs me, and this may have been pointed out, could he of least had the wherewithal to know that the freaking cameras weren't real time? I am pissed that the responding law enforcement didn't know that, they obviously weren't on the same page as the school and weren't prepared.

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Published in the New York Post:
“He believed he did a good job calling in the location, setting up the perimeter and calling in the description (of Cruz),” said the union official, Jim Bell.

"Setting up the perimeter?" WTF is that about? OK, my knowledge of military tactics is limited to what it takes to keep a 1950s type Regulus Missile running, so can somebody who knows about this stuff explain "setting up a perimeter" in this type situation? I am truly befuddled.

How much training do SRO's get?

Are they required to qualify with their weapons on a routine basis?

Is it considered a posh, pre-retirement position?

Should SRO's be required to rotate off of SRO duty and onto the streets, or other more active positions?

I'm not excusing the guy, but if he was indeed the SRO for a number of years, and as some have suggested, more of a social worker, hadn't seen any action in some time; then that could help lead to him freezing when the shooting started.

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Originally posted by dusty3030:
What bugs me, and this may have been pointed out, could he of least had the wherewithal to know that the freaking cameras weren't real time? I am pissed that the responding law enforcement didn't know that, they obviously weren't on the same page as the school and weren't prepared.

Not sure if it's completely accurate, but one of the teens at the town hall (who praised Trumps leadership) mentioned that lots of schools skip the 'active shooter drills' and that the school in question hadn't done a drill this year (not sure if school year or calendar year).

Then again if the SRO had anything to do with the planning / execution of a active shooter drill, that is not surprising.

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Originally posted by ccmdfd:
How much training do SRO's get?

Are they required to qualify with their weapons on a routine basis?

Is it considered a posh, pre-retirement position?

Should SRO's be required to rotate off of SRO duty and onto the streets, or other more active positions?

I'm not excusing the guy, but if he was indeed the SRO for a number of years, and as some have suggested, more of a social worker, hadn't seen any action in some time; then that could help lead to him freezing when the shooting started.

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Simply excuses for being a coward. Still a coward if reports are accurate.

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How much training do SRO's get?

Are they required to qualify with their weapons on a routine basis?

Is it considered a posh, pre-retirement position?

Around here they are the exact same as any other police officer. The one we have at our local district is a younger guy. I suspect they're chosen because they're good with kids. I have seen our SRO on traffic stops with other local officers. He stands out because he has a nicer vehicle than the rest.

While all things considered Broward County is still a good place to live, I can tell you from living here for almost 25 years, and being a native South Floridian, that the arrogance, pompous attitude, political correctness, and naivete in Broward politics and to a lesser degree in the Broward population in general is evident. It says a lot about some local politicians when they can't act fast enough to spend money irresponsibly or can't help but name things after each other while they are still currently in office with each other. The progressivism has so permeated the departments, that even at the well known outdoor range Markham Park, which thank God they are not able to eliminate due to how the land was protected, does not allow targets with silhouettes or images of humans or animals. It's been an uphill battle to stem the progressive creep for some years now, no thanks to liberal transplants too. This may just be the sad, tragic event to reverse the direction to a noticeable degree.

Being in the national spotlight is actually going to do us a lot of good because the abuses, poor policies, apathy, and mistakes made are not going to be able to be swept under the rug any longer and improvements and policy changes here and throughout the State will benefit us all, not just the "elites" and the better connected. It was the reality check and wake up call that sadly came at the cost of 17 precious lives. What's worse is that this was clearly and in every way preventable as already has been mentioned over and over. The proctological exam that is about to ensue for every single department and agency in Broward county is going to be invasive, painful, and well deserved. I suspect the despicable SRO is only the first of many that are going to be fired, demoted, removed, leave, and / or pay with their reputations and elected offices. The FBI's investigation needs to be thorough as well. It probably won't be as raw and as public though.

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Originally posted by mod29:

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
Reports are Scott Peterson was the SRO of the school for 10 years.

He likely knew & interacted with the shooter multiple times over the years, along with all the students at the school.

Assuming this information is accurate, it's interesting that the known presence of an armed officer didn't deter the killer.

I would think that if he knew the students there, he'd really want to protect them even more. If the purpose of SRO's is to get to know the kids, build a rapport, and be proactive, I don't understand how he couldn't help his kids. Even if the BSO policy was to set up a perimeter, I would think he'd say "F policy-- those are MY kids in there, I'm going in!"

Now some people are trying to argue, "Look, see, there was an armed person there that didn't act. Why would a teacher or anyone else be any different?". Well, first and foremost, that is why you need more than one armed person on a campus and why training is so important. I wonder when the last time was that SRO did any actual active shooter training? Regardless, his lack of action angers me just as it does most everyone else because it was his DUTY. Second, we would not be expecting teachers to be SWAT team operators but what continues to escape so many people or dismissed on purpose, A SERIOUS DETERRENT and a defensive actor if absolutely necessary. Good grief, even if the teacher hunkers down with their kids in their classroom, that is one less classroom that is an easy target and a potential ender of the incident. Third, which of the two signs would be more effective, a sign reading "This is a gun free zone." or "Please note: faculty and staff are armed to protect this campus."?

Wow, this is going to get really ugly.

Broward has a program allowing deputies to live rent free on school campuses and an audit showed it was rife with abuse - some deputies subletting to non officers.



Read the story here, where it quotes the coward Peterson who was a staunch supporter of the program:
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/ne...-20150122-story.html

Quotes from Peterson in the article:

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"These colleagues work hard. We are crime prevention, an audit report will never show how much we prevent," said Scot Peterson, an officer who has lived at Atlantic Technical College in Coconut Creek since 2000. He said he's arrested several juveniles for breaking into school property.
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Peterson said it was unfair to dismantle the program based on a few extreme cases.

"You are talking about the livelihood of some of these people," he said.

He also covered for the shooter during an investigation in 2016.

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Peterson is mentioned as part of a 2016 social services agency investigation into Nikolas Cruz, the 19-year-old identified by police as the gunman. According to a Florida Department of Children and Families report detailing that investigation, Peterson was approached by investigators and “refused to share any information … regarding [an] incident that took place with” the teenager.

That same year, the sheriff’s office revealed Thursday, it was told about “third hand information” from a “neighbor’s son” suggesting that Cruz “planned to shoot up the school,” although the specific school was not listed. The sheriff’s office said a deputy contacted the caller, determined that Cruz had knives and a BB gun and sent the information to the school resource officer — presumably Peterson. It is unclear whether he investigated.

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Originally posted by V-Tail:

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Published in the New York Post:
“He believed he did a good job calling in the location, setting up the perimeter and calling in the description (of Cruz),” said the union official, Jim Bell.

"Setting up the perimeter?" WTF is that about? OK, my knowledge of military tactics is limited to what it takes to keep a 1950s type Regulus Missile running, so can somebody who knows about this stuff explain "setting up a perimeter" in this type situation? I am truly befuddled.

He is simply trying to 'spin' this to excuse his cowardice and moral resposibility in the deaths of all those kids.

"Setting up a perimeter and taking up a position" is another way of saying "abandoning his post to cower in fear, leaving those he was sworn to protect to fend for themselves, unarmed."

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Originally posted by DitchDoctor911:

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Originally posted by mod29:

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
Reports are Scott Peterson was the SRO of the school for 10 years.

He likely knew & interacted with the shooter multiple times over the years, along with all the students at the school.

Assuming this information is accurate, it's interesting that the known presence of an armed officer didn't deter the killer.

I would think that if he knew the students there, he'd really want to protect them even more. If the purpose of SRO's is to get to know the kids, build a rapport, and be proactive, I don't understand how he couldn't help his kids. Even if the BSO policy was to set up a perimeter, I would think he'd say "F policy-- those are MY kids in there, I'm going in!"

Sounds like Peterson had been an SRO for over ten years. He certainly had enough time and training to anticipate an event like this on that campus. It sounds like he may have been more focused on making it to his retirement than doing his job. Fair enough, if that's the case, but he should have moved into a desk job or some gig that would have been more suited to his inclinations rather than "pose" as this school's first line of defense. He abandoned his duty.

It is pretty clear that, despite his deflecting during the CNN meeting, the Sheriff and his department failed on every level to prevent or mitigate this incident.

A perimeter by its very definition is not physically able to be secured by one person so it is total BS CYA. He just needs to quit while he's behind. You failed to act, made your choice, now live with the consequences while others do not.

Some companies -- like Enterprise car rentals-- are boycotting the NRA. Boycotts can work both ways. Enterprise is dead to me, I will never rent from them. Same with every other company that boycotts the NRA.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...m_term=.f9712701bf3c

The sheriff and other local law enforcement, including the coward of a SRO, bear responsibility for what happened. The FBI totally fucked up, and bear responsibility. --So who is being fingered by the leftist press? None of the above, but instead the NRA.

NRA is not a perfect organization, but with the chips down I will support them in a heartbeat, including a donation next month on the day of the big student demonstration.