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Holy Shit  'Black Hole' - White House Doesn't Know Where US Weapons Go After Entering Ukraine
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money  |
$800 million a pop being dispensed like coins going into a payphone for an international call. Despite acknowledging that the US has almost no visibility into what happens to American weapons supplied to Ukraine (they might as well disappear into a black hole), President Joe Biden is planning to announce even more security assistance to Ukraine during remarks from the White House on Thursday. It has been reported that the Biden Administration is preparing an additional package of approximately $800 million following a similarly sized package sent earlier this month. That package included artillery and anti-artillery radar for the first time. The White House is searching for strategies to help deliver the military aid to Kiev as quickly as possible because the White House and Biden's military advisers believe the conflict has reached a 'critical stage'. https://www.zerohedge.com/poli...-aid-package-ukraine "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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I don't know why you guys are getting all worked up about weapons during wartime. We don't know where our own equipment is during a war... Hedley Lamarr: Wait, wait, wait. I'm unarmed. Bart: Alright, we'll settle this like men, with our fists. Hedley Lamarr: Sorry, I just remembered . . . I am armed. | |||
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Web Clavin Extraordinaire |
Small arms maybe I can see, but given the circumstances, I really don't think that many of the Javelins or Stingers and such are going anywhere but to people who are going to shoot them at Russians. After the war is another question, but right now I have a feeling that most of the stuff we (like America we) would care about be shot with in the future is not "going into a black hole". ---------------------------- Chuck Norris put the laughter in "manslaughter" Educating the youth of America, one declension at a time. | |||
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Funny Man |
What is the alternative, sending them flowers and a “get well soon” card? It must have been a slow day at the news desk to start whipping up concern over OMG! weapons on the battlefield may get lost How many weapons of every type has Russia “misplaced” all over Ukraine at this point? ______________________________ “I'd like to know why well-educated idiots keep apologizing for lazy and complaining people who think the world owes them a living.” ― John Wayne | |||
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| Get my pies outta the oven! |
I don't think you get it. Things like Stinger missiles were very tightly controlled before and now we're just dumping them at Ukraine where these corrupt scumbags could be taking them and selling them to China to reverse-engineer or God forbid to some terrorists to use against an American passenger plane someday. | |||
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Yeah, add this to the mess of all the weapons the 'biden administration' left behind in A-stan, one might almost think they are doing it on purpose. It would only take one whack-job with a Stinger or Javelin missile attacking a soft civilian target in Europe to plunge the continent into chaos. . . Javelins could be used against airline terminals (parked passenger jets), fuel storage tanks, and a whole bunch of other 'explodey' stuff, or other places like the Louvre, Buckingham Palace, etc. The problem seems to be the apparent lack of oversight as to where these weapons are going. Dems just throw money at problems, and they are now literally throwing weapons at Ukraine. Post war, many of those weapons are going to be 'loose' with no way to track them. The dems freak out about 80% lowers and 'ghost guns' - here they are handing out military weapons like candy. Fear God and Dread Nought Admiral of the Fleet Sir Jacky Fisher | |||
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| Funny Man |
Short of sending our boys along with the gear, what is the alternative? And even if we did send our boys with the gear there is no guarantee that our tech won’t be lost or captured in battle. Its much ado about nothing, an article to get some clicks and nobody will think about it again in a few days. Remember all of the outrage over the pile of gear left in Afghanistan? When is the last time anyone followed up on that? Don’t worry, some talking head will produce some new piece of “outrage porn” tomorrow and we will all move on…. ______________________________ “I'd like to know why well-educated idiots keep apologizing for lazy and complaining people who think the world owes them a living.” ― John Wayne | |||
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| Power is nothing without control |
Honestly, the weapons being used by the Ukrainian soldiers are just as risky as any others. The Russians already have, and will continue to capture a percentage of them. Now the weapons are in the hands of a state with the technical capability to reverse engineer them, a willingness to sell them to other states that oppose the west, and the ability and opportunity to use them against us or in false flag operations to place blame on us. Of course, this has also been a major concern every time we have supplied other countries with stingers, which has happened several times in the past couple decades. We haven’t given out as many Javelins, but we have sold them to dozens of countries, some of which aren’t true-blue friends. This is just part of the price we pay to keep wars off of our doorstep. - Bret | |||
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| Freethinker |
And if people didn’t react to it [ahem, ahem …] by passing along the outrage to others, it would dry up and blow away entirely. In this case, losing weapons is what happens in war. ► 6.4/93.6 “Cet animal est très méchant, quand on l’attaque il se défend.” | |||
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Brought to you by the same ass clowns that left $82 billion in equipment and weapons for use by people who abjectly hate and want to murder us, who is surprised by this?
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What oversight was there for the stingers we gave the the Mujahedeen in Afghanistan in the '80s? "Ninja kick the damn rabbit" | |||
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Fire begets Fire |
None of these folks can even drive a car. Why do you think you can run a country? "Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty." ~Robert A. Heinlein | |||
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Russia slaps travel ban on Kamala Harris, 28 other U.S. officials, businesspeople. The Russkies must be out of touch. Banning Kameltoe as if she would ever go. https://www.nbcnews.com/politi...nesspeople-rcna25402 | |||
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Tucker Carlson had General Jack Keene on tonight talking about this overseas operation. The segment wasn't up on YouTube yet or I would have posted it here. I have no idea if what the general was asserting is accurate, but much of it at least seemed plausible from a logic standpoint. His assessment was... 1 - Russia is killing off the last of Ukraine's best military in the Donbass Region, which should likely be over soon. 2 - Ukraine doesn't have the knowledge or experience to effectively use the munitions the US is sending them right now. 3 - Ukraine doesn't have the infrastructure to effectively move these weapons into place around the country and/or to adequately support them once in place. 4 - The US is escalating this conflict by doing what it is doing, and using the Ukrainians as proxy's in a conflict against Russia. 5 - Russia will win this conflict in the end. 'If' the Ukrainians lose this encounter with Russia, how many billions will the US have pumped into Ukraine in a losing effort and how much of it will find its way into Swiss or Cayman bank accounts? How many US weapons will find their way onto the black market? How many Ukrainians will be dead in the final tally? And what will be left of the country of Ukraine in the aftermath? ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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It was in the book Charlie Wilson’s War - the Stingers were issued to the Muj, and they had to return the control or firing mechanism in order to get a replacement. I don’t recall if it was mentioned what happened to the fielded units when Western personnel left… | |||
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| 7.62mm Crusader |
I recall something about those was perishable. | |||
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| Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
Keane's been on Tucker's show several times since this began. His predictions haven't been doing to well. | |||
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| Staring back from the abyss  |
It was Macgregor who was on Tucker, not Gen. Keene. ETA: Here is a quote from Wiki on Macgregor:
He is clearly pro-Russian, and will take every opportunity to disparage Ukraine/Zelensky. There is no justification for what Russia has done/is doing, yet he sure does support them. I don't care if Ukraine has rampant corruption. So do we, and so does every other nation-state. That doesn't excuse the invasion and wholesale slaughter of civilians. Yet, Macgregor seems to think it does. He couldn't be more wrong in his assessments. Gen. Keene on the other hand, a man I hold in much higher regard with respect to objectivity, states, "The truth is, the Ukrainians have a real chance here to deny the Russians the Donbas area."This message has been edited. Last edited by: Gustofer, ________________________________________________________ "Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil." Doug Patton. | |||
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| Web Clavin Extraordinaire |
The massive losses in armor and aircraft that Russia has experienced says otherwise.... I mean, for fuck's sake, Ukraine sank the Russian flagship with anti-ship missiles of their own design. They're not a bunch of illiterate hill folk like the Afghans. They are a modern, educated country whose military started really moving to Western standards like 6+ years ago after they got their asses kicked by Russia the first time. What more evidence do we need of their ability in this peer/peer conflict? I thought this war was supposed to be over in a week? Two months later.... The only thing Russia has is superiority in numbers and quantity of materiel. Their doctrinal incompetence has thus far negated those advantages. ---------------------------- Chuck Norris put the laughter in "manslaughter" Educating the youth of America, one declension at a time. | |||
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