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Originally posted by braillediver:
Seems like this administration and the world is storming headlong into a nuclear war.

The "Big Guy" has to earn his 10% but the stage seems like it's being set for another bigger crisis which some people will be more than happy to exploit.

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Third of Americans Would Risk Nuclear War With Russia Over Ukraine: Poll

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...84Gh?ocid=uxbndlbing

Sleep walking towards DEFCON 1

Regarding "corruption".

There is not a single place on this planet that does not have corruption of it's government nor of its people.

Heck, even if it were one man alone on this planet, his left hand would be stealing food while his right hand was scratching his balls.

If one does not believe it is not "our fight", then find a good reason, but please do not try to justify corrupt government as the reason.

There are a great many individuals that eschew corruption. We should be in support of them.

I am not calling for direct involvement, but we need to think (have people in the position to do things, need to think and be properly advised) how to navigate this, and scrape a lot of truly mundane shit off the plate and into the garbage right now and focus.

Pronouns, high heel combat boots, BLM, stuff in the water that makes the fish gay, masks for another two years, stupid and absolutely asinine crap- OFF. THE. PLATE.

Cuz, their is a man, who is holding a nuclear gun to the head of the world right now, and if he gets away with what he wants by that threat, then the NORKs, Iran, and who knows who else will play that same card, and with itchy fingers on the trigger, one of them is gonna Baldwin someone.

This is starting to look like Reservoir Dogs. Mr. Pink should have thrown in...

I’m not happy with what’s happening in Ukraine now, and am even less happy that we’re being drawn into it. I would be least happy of all if it leads to a larger conflict.

The lessons of history teach us, though, that delaying response to aggression is frequently like delaying response to cancer or tooth decay: they don’t get better on their own and ignoring military aggression very often merely encourages more aggression. It’s not my responsibility and I don’t have the authority to decide what the US should do further in response to a situation that was started by someone else, but if we do decide to ignore it and let the aggressor have his way this time, I can only hope that I won’t be here to see what the longer term results may very well be. Some here cannot even have that hope.

All of that, and that I have grandkids.

Not for me...

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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I am just saying they are all corrupt fucks and all 3 sides, Ukraine the Russians and the Western power are lying on a daily basis.

That sums up why we shouldn't be there. It's not our fight. It's sad. But we shouldn't get involved.

Totally agree

It is odd if you’re familiar with the situation and the people at all, folks artificially/unwittingly picking sides here.
Lots of blame to go around.

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:
Regarding "corruption".

There is not a single place on this planet that does not have corruption of it's government nor of its people.

Heck, even if it were one man alone on this planet, his left hand would be stealing food while his right hand was scratching his balls.

If one does not believe it is not "our fight", then find a good reason, but please do not try to justify corrupt government as the reason.

There are a great many individuals that eschew corruption. We should be in support of them.

I am not calling for direct involvement, but we need to think (have people in the position to do things, need to think and be properly advised) how to navigate this, and scrape a lot of truly mundane shit off the plate and into the garbage right now and focus.

Pronouns, high heel combat boots, BLM, stuff in the water that makes the fish gay, masks for another two years, stupid and absolutely asinine crap- OFF. THE. PLATE.

Cuz, their is a man, who is holding a nuclear gun to the head of the world right now, and if he gets away with what he wants by that threat, then the NORKs, Iran, and who knows who else will play that same card, and with itchy fingers on the trigger, one of them is gonna Baldwin someone.

This is starting to look like Reservoir Dogs. Mr. Pink should have thrown in...

Personally I do not think we should be involved due to the fact that we can only make things worst for the people of Ukraine.

It's my opinion that while we did not start this many of our actions, 2014 Coup (Maidan) and the NATO bluster...not to mention the other color revolutions we have funded in Russia's back yard, have put Vlad in a situation where he thought he had to be proactive. It certainly did not help that he got bad intel that he could roll up the east in a matter of days.

Look at the Air assault at the air field on the opening day...you don't do that with paratroopers unless you can relive them in 24-48 hours, the Russians thought this invasion would be pretty relatively quick and clean, possibly with the exception of the south east where there is bad blood due to the civil war that has been going on for 8 years. and

No one told him about the Azov and Aidar (Right Sector) being in place in Kharkiv and Sumy and they assumed that due to a general opinion in the east that Russia was better than their own government they would roll in like liberators.

What can the west do beyond suppling weapons and sanctions that will not take a local war and turn it into WW3?

I am not going to even mention that taking the Russians off swift may very well be the beginning of the end to the petro-dollar. Or that sanctioning the russian people will not work the way people think it will. The Russians LOVE misery and hardship...and Putin will not be "overthrown" he will just turn these sanctions into propaganda on how the west is against russia.

We are led by people so fectless you have to wonder if this was all purposeful.

I'd agree that we don't live in a corruption free world. But, even if all three sides are at fault to some degree, innocent people are still being killed wholesale for no reason but a little man's ego. At some point the good have a moral obligation to stop the evil.

"Silence in the face of evil is itself evil. God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act." Dietrich Bonhoeffer.

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Originally posted by SIGnified:
It is odd if you’re familiar with the situation and the people at all, folks artificially/unwittingly picking sides here.
Lots of blame to go around.

Agreed, I do not think there is a side in this that is blameless.

It all reminds me of a book "Catastrophe 1914", where everyone stumbled and bumbled into war...and was shocked when the war came.

Most importantly for the USA is that the crooked Bidens are not blameless at all.

We can add in the Pelosi’s, the Romney’s and the Kerry’s for starters…

The real problem is here at home.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
I'd agree that we don't live in a corruption free world. But, even if all three sides are at fault to some degree, innocent people are still being killed wholesale for no reason but a little man's ego. At some point the good have a moral obligation to stop the evil.

"Silence in the face of evil is itself evil. God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act." Dietrich Bonhoeffer.

"Do you follow her in? ..."

Putin said in an address on Wednesday that his country will undergo a "self-purification" of "traitors" as Russian troops continue to bombard Ukrainian civilians and advance toward Kyiv.

"The Russian people will always be able to distinguish true patriots from scum and traitors and simply spit them out like a fly that accidentally flew into their mouths," Putin said on Wednesday. "I am convinced that such a natural and necessary self-purification of society will only strengthen our country, our solidarity, cohesion and readiness to respond to any challenges."

After the speech, flight trackers purportedly detected a mass exodus of private jets flying out of Moscow and toward Dubai, suggesting that Russian oligarchs may have fled anticipating Putin’s crackdown.

At least 14,980 people have been detained across Russia since the war in Ukraine began on Feb. 24, according to OVD Info, an independent organization monitoring political persecutions.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/...ors-ukraine-invasion

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:

"Do you follow her in? ..."

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Originally posted by Gustofer:

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:

"Do you follow her in? ..."

Perhaps in reference to this:
https://sigforum.com/eve/forum...935/m/2400065884/p/1

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After the speech, flight trackers purportedly detected a mass exodus of private jets flying out of Moscow and toward Dubai, suggesting that Russian oligarchs may have fled anticipating Putin’s crackdown.

At least 14,980 people have been detained across Russia since the war in Ukraine began on Feb. 24, according to OVD Info, an independent organization monitoring political persecutions.

Hasn't this guy pissed off enough Russians yet?
One of these Russian oligarchs is gonna have to do something useful, like take out Putin.

Of course, if you come at the king you'd best not miss.

“After the speech, flight trackers purportedly detected a mass exodus of private jets flying out of Moscow and toward Dubai, suggesting that Russian oligarchs may have fled anticipating Putin’s crackdown.”

Funny how that works; these guys have been feeding Putin money for many, many years to the point that he is unquestionably the richest man on the planet, whether that is official or not. Now their bedmate that they thought they had bought into their pockets is showing them what he truly is. Their friend he is not.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:

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Originally posted by Gustofer:

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:

"Do you follow her in? ..."

Perhaps in reference to this:
https://sigforum.com/eve/forum...935/m/2400065884/p/1

Ah...gotcha. I'm a little slow today.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:...

Perhaps in reference to this:...

Yes.

If the MSN article is valid, a third of us would risk nuclear war?
Insanity!
Hiroshima bomb: About 15KT. 70K dead.
Our current B83 bomb: Up to 1.2 MT.
Technology has advanced since WWII.
And thats for a conventional drop /launch, not EMP.
Maybe a third of us should consult a nuke damage map before "risking" a nuke exchange.
Want to help the Ukrainians? Send medical supplies, food and help with the refugee situation. And work toward a cease fire and withdrawal.
Risk nuke warfare? Read an old book called Alas, Babylon.

Has anyone else noticed the NOBODY is talking about how to bring about peace? EVERYONE is talking about to support/defend Ukraine and that by definition is further promoting the conflict.

Where are all the 'diplomats' and 'world leaders' that could be focused on how to negotiate an end to the fighting/brokering a peace deal? It's not even a talking point...ANYWHERE?

The Russians & Ukrainians have had multiple negotiations/meetings to discuss terms to settle the conflict and/or a potential cease fire, but NOBODY is talking about how to mediate those talks...NOBODY!

It's almost as if everyone wants War...