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Originally posted by prj:
While EU may be screwed this winter, it won't be because of explosions on N1 and N2 pipelines. They were inactive, reportedly, and just holding full without delivering.

I certainly don't expect that the EU was going to start buying Russian NG anytime soon, and likely not in the next decade or more, did you?

And to the think that "Putin would never do" this is curious. Generally, he's been quite unpredictable, and provably never afraid to cut off his nose to spite his face.

I am well aware the production status of Nord1 and Nord2.

If they weren’t pumping, ask yourself why were they blown?


Q: Why would you ever blow up your 300’ deep pipeline infrastructure when you control the switch/valves?

A: The answer is, you wouldn’t.

Now ask yourself who could execute such a mission with three different explosions, across both pipelines, that deep in the ocean, synchronized?

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Originally posted by prj:
While EU may be screwed this winter, it won't be because of explosions on N1 and N2 pipelines. They were inactive, reportedly, and just holding full without delivering.

I certainly don't expect that the EU was going to start buying Russian NG anytime soon, and likely not in the next decade or more, did you?

Germany was waivering, and likely going to go ahead and buy the Russian gas:

Thousands of people in Gera in Germany against Olaf Scholz's policy and the explosion of energy and gas prices. They demand an end to sanctions on Russia and the reopening of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline. Demonstrations also in other German cities but EU media censors them.
https://twitter.com/RadioGenov...ack&utm_medium=email

Reuters reported about ten days ago that Putin invited Europe to solve its energy crisis by ignoring U.S. orders and opening up the NordStream 2 pipeline. “Just push the button and everything will get going,” Putin offered.

@KimDotcomKim

The sabotage of Nord Stream 1 and 2 targets the desire of Germany to negotiate peace with Russia in an effort to safe the German industry from total collapse. This goal to find a settlement is the reason why Germany is refusing to send Leopard II tanks etc. to Ukraine.

Reports state that Sweden noted at least two undersea explosions, hours apart. So not "synchronized".

Your Q is fine and reasonable, but the A seems a presumptive leap.

I believe that an investigation will likely yield some evidence as to The Who/how, and you apparently believe that the EU either won't discover, or won't mind that the US sabotaged their infrastructure. I find that explanation implausible. The US does NOT want to alienate their allies at this point.

I concede that a wavering resolve from Germany does present a plausible reason for the US, or other allies, to sabotage. That suggests that the saboteur has great confidence that either no one can identify them, or be willing out them once discovered. Pretty risky business there.

Biden said if Russia invaded Ukraine that the Nord Stream 2 pipeline "will end."

ABC News @ABC
Pres. Biden: "If Russia invades...then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it."

Reporter: "But how will you do that, exactly, since...the project is in Germany's control?"

Biden: "I promise you, we will be able to do that."

https://video.twimg.com/amplif...AwC0-m73S.mp4?tag=14
abcn.ws/3B5SScx

if the whitehouse doesn't deny it, then they did it

If we did that, wouldn't that be a little obvious? What would we expect to gain in exchange for a move that the Euros can only consider a blatant attempt to bully them into submission, since the pipeline is in relatively shallow waters close to shore and can therefore easily be repaired if the Germans want to repair it?

Considering the commitments the Euros (and particularly the Germans, who are renting what are essentially floating natural gas transmission points) to not using Russian oil and gas in the future, Nordstream I and II are effectively dead anyhow. I don't see how it would serve the US in any way to blow these pipelines. I can, however, see it as a Russian warning to the Poles that the new undersea pipeline they're working on is vulnerable to sabotage.

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Originally posted by prj:
I believe that an investigation will likely yield some evidence as to The Who/how, and you apparently believe that the EU either won't discover, or won't mind that the US sabotaged their infrastructure. I find that explanation implausible. The US does NOT want to alienate their allies at this point.

You're speaking as though we have a mentally competent, experienced, administration in Washington. They aren't on any level, and there's dozens upon dozens of examples to prove it. These people are retards first, and un-American second, so no, I wouldn't trust them with ordering lunch let alone making international policy decisions.

Yes, it would be obvious and create...lets say challenges for the US-EU alliance.

Perhaps its an attempt by Russia to boost global NG prices?

"By Monday, benchmark European gas futures prices had nearly halved from their August high. After news of the leaks, they have risen about 13 percent to nearly 200 euros ($191) per megawatt-hour, roughly five times the level of a year ago."

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Originally posted by chellim1:
Biden said if Russia invaded Ukraine that the Nord Stream 2 pipeline "will end."

ABC News @ABC
Pres. Biden: "If Russia invades...then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it."

Reporter: "But how will you do that, exactly, since...the project is in Germany's control?"

Biden: "I promise you, we will be able to do that."

https://video.twimg.com/amplif...AwC0-m73S.mp4?tag=14
abcn.ws/3B5SScx

This moron made that same statement as well shortly after Biden made it, so they are hip deep in this whether they pulled the trigger or not.


Victoria Nuland - Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs of the United States

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Originally posted by bigdeal:
You're speaking as though we have a mentally competent, experienced, administration in Washington. They aren't on any level, and there's dozens upon dozens of examples to prove it. These people are retards first, and un-American second, so no, I wouldn't trust them with ordering lunch let alone making international policy decisions.

Fair enough, we can disagree here and you can simply take Putin's word for it; the US sabotaged it's allies' energy infrastructure.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

quote:

Originally posted by prj:
I believe that an investigation will likely yield some evidence as to The Who/how, and you apparently believe that the EU either won't discover, or won't mind that the US sabotaged their infrastructure. I find that explanation implausible. The US does NOT want to alienate their allies at this point.

You're speaking as though we have a mentally competent, experienced, administration in Washington. They aren't on any level, and there's dozens upon dozens of examples to prove it. These people are retards first, and un-American second, so no, I wouldn't trust them with ordering lunch let alone making international policy decisions.

That's right. If you want to know why the US did it, ask Biden, who said that he would "take down" NS2.

Massive environmental and political disasters are unfolding this week over the Russian Nord Stream gas pipelines, which were transporting natural gas from Russia to Europe, and appear to have been deliberately sabotaged, sending all concerned countries into an escalated state of concern for diplomatic relations, at a time when it feels like the world is about to fall into despair.

And many people, including Fox News host Tucker Carlson, believe the Democrat Biden regime and his allies are to blame for all of the sufferings connected- for all of the people.

The question of what Biden knew is also coming to light.

In addition, according to a report by German magazine Der Spiegel, the CIA warned Berlin about a potential attack on gas pipelines in the Baltic Sea “weeks ago.”

EU MEP Radek Sikorski, the Chairman of the EU-USA delegation, literally thanked the U.S. for the incident:
Radek Sikorski MEP
@radeksikorski

Thank you, USA.
https://twitter.com/radeksikor...-stream-pipelines%2F

https://republicbrief.com/tuck...rd-stream-pipelines/

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Originally posted by prj:

quote:

Originally posted by bigdeal:
You're speaking as though we have a mentally competent, experienced, administration in Washington. They aren't on any level, and there's dozens upon dozens of examples to prove it. These people are retards first, and un-American second, so no, I wouldn't trust them with ordering lunch let alone making international policy decisions.

Fair enough, we can disagree here and you can simply take Putin's word for it; the US sabotaged it's allies' energy infrastructure.

One, I take no one's word for anything. Period. Second, if you're seriously proposing the likes of Biden, Sullivan, Blinken, and Nuland are competent on 'any' level when it comes to dealing with complex international issues, we can cease our discussion of this topic right here. I've been around a long time and witnessed 40+ years of presidential administrations, and this administration has without question set the bar for incompetence at a level unlikely to ever be matched again (hopefully).

I have no idea who damaged NS1 and NS2, but without question, given the complexity of that task, it could only be one of a few parties to this cluster[blank].

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Originally posted by chellim1:
And many people, including Fox News host Tucker Carlson, believe the Democrat Biden regime and his allies are to blame

Breaking News!

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Originally posted by bigdeal:
I have no idea who damaged NS1 and NS2

I have some ideas, but the list of capable governments and, perhaps even non-governmental players, is likely quite long.

Anybody know if the gas leaking from that pipeline can burn under water? Reason I ask is I'm wondering if it wouldn't be a good idea to burn it off on the surface rather than let it just be absorbed into the atmosphere.

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..the list of capable governments and, perhaps even non-governmental players, is likely quite long.

There is one place I'd disagree with you. Those waters are monitored pretty closely, so I'd guess (FWIW) that we're talking governmental operators or governmentally sanctioned operators.

That list of potential culprits does stretch out a bit, though.

Right? I thought that would make for spectacular visuals! I also wonder if its still releasing at that same rate, seems the pipe may have exhausted its stagnant supply at some point, or be shut off.

It is easy to attribute a lot of what the Biden admin has been doing as incompetence, some of it probably is. But, taking into consideration unspoken, underlying motive it may be revealed to be quite rational.