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I hope that badge heavy asshole gets fired. ----------------------------- Always carry. Never tell. | |||
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Truckin' On |
The cop wasn't just wrong. He treated a highly-trained medical professional like a common-criminal street thug, aside from everything else. He should never have manhandled her as he did. That is the worst part of the whole thing for me. Treat the nurse with professionalism and respect, even while illegally arresting her. Nothing less was acceptable. I have no problem with anything she and her attorney/s are doing or saying. ____________ Μολὼν Λαβέ 01 03 04 14 16 18 | |||
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I think the easiest path for this officer was to escalate to the nursing supervisor, and on and on up the food chain . What did arresting the nurse net him? No blood, more paperwork, and a nomination for jackass of the week. Pronoun: His Royal Highness and benevolent Majesty of all he surveys 343 - Never Forget Its better to be Pavlov's dog than Schrodinger's cat There are three types of mistakes; Those you learn from, those you suffer from, and those you don't survive. | |||
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Okay guys, Going to put it all on the table here and cut open a vein. I was raised in a small town and to believe that police are the ultimate sign of respect. Literally every encounter I have had with the police have been professional and friendly. It's in my DNA to always give officers the benefit-of-the-doubt, and these recent cases of rogue cops on video" have really caused me to question...lot's of stuff. Naive? Maybe. But I genuinely appreciate the way most in this thread have expressed their points. Here I am in my 40's and still finding that not all of my childhood heroes are always, "heroic". ___________________________ All it takes...is all you got. ____________________________ For those who have fought for it, Freedom has a flavor the protected will never know ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ | |||
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| Non-Miscreant |
I think you're far to generous. I'd buy into jackass of the year or even decade. Unhappy ammo seeker | |||
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Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
nomination for jackass of the week subject to a criminal investigation and suspension (albeit with pay)of the authority he was entrusted with. Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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| Ammoholic |
The reality is that police are people. If you simply look at a cross section of people there is going to be a certain percentage of "problem children" in any sizable group, be it LEOs, doctors, lawyers, EMTs/Parmedics, garbage collectors, whatever.* My experience leads me to believe that percentage is probably lower in a law enforcement organization (at least a competently run one) than the general population, but that there will still be a non-zero percentage in any significant sized agency. In this case, it is clear that the agency is nothing like competently run, and its percentage of "problem children" may approach or even exceed that of the general population. I may have a bad attitude, but I think heads should roll over this and it should start at the top (mayor, chief) and work down from there. *SIGforum may be the exception that proves the rule as Para seems to be pretty efficient at removing "problem children".  | |||
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| Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
Police no longer allowed to interact with hospital nursing staff. Well that worked out well for the police.  . Need blood? Draw it yourself. Coffee? Dunkin Donuts is down the street.Bravo for the hospital administration. Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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Age Quod Agis |
I was brought up the same way in the same town. I'm 51. Two of my cousins are retired NYPD. I have great respect and affection for police officers and think that at their best, they are representative of the better angles of our nature. Things like this pain me because they spill over and color the opinion of people toward all police officers. Like you, almost all (not quite all, but almost) of my interactions with the police as a citizen have been positive. Professionally, however I have had police lie to a judge, misrepresent facts to me as a prosecutor, and generally screw my case. So there are some bad apples out there. I don't let it get me down, and I give the guys doing a tough job the benefit of the doubt. But I also hold them to a high standard. As Reagan said, "Trust, but verify." "I vowed to myself to fight against evil more completely and more wholeheartedly than I ever did before. . . . That’s the only way to pay back part of that vast debt, to live up to and try to fulfill that tremendous obligation." Alfred Hornik, Sunday, December 2, 1945 to his family, on his continuing duty to others for surviving WW II. | |||
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safe & sound |
Which is why I believe judging people on an individual basis and not by what group they belong to is the best method. Anybody know how the injured officer fared? All of this other stuff is overshadowing the fact that this guy was seriously injured just trying to perform his job as a truck driver. I haven't read anything on his current condition. | |||
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| Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
Last I read he is in a medically induced coma. Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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Political Cynic |
right answer - you don't get to hang out with the adults until you prove you're competent still can't understand why this guy wasn't fired...he's on vacation [B] Against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC | |||
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Dances with Wiener Dogs |
Fired? Dude should be in PMITA prison. At a minimum a loose canon like him should never hold a job that has him carrying a weapon. Not if he's that quick to escalate things to the level of the absurd. _______________________ “The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.” Ayn Rand “If we relinquish our rights because of fear, what is it exactly, then, we are fighting for?” Sen. Rand Paul | |||
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Essayons |
^^^^^THIS! Amen. Hit the nail square on the head. Thanks, Sap | |||
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"The new policy, which was implemented in mid-August, will require police to interact with the hospital supervisor. It also will prevent law enforcement officials from entering the emergency room, burn unit or other patient areas in the hospital." Hopefully at the next election the people of SLC will "throw the bums out". The mayor sounds like a douchebag, and he most likely hires and promotes others that think like he does. -c1steve | |||
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From the linked article:
Somebody didn't think this one through, it's going to make for a lot of problems in the ER. We routinely have an off duty officer in the ER. Then there's all the other instances of traumas, motor vehicle accidents, medical clearance for arrest, transport of petitioned psych patients, even when we have to call them to arrest a disorderly patient. Yes, changes need to be made between how the hospital and the police interact in Salt Lake City, but this is swinging the pendulum way too far. This sounds like it came from an out of touch administrator who has no clue about the everyday happenings in the ER and thinks everything is unicorns, rainbows and jellybean fields. My daughter can deflate your daughter's soccer ball. | |||
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Officers do and should get the benefit of any doubt in a situation such as this. I think you have misidentified the situation here- time not that cops are people. You're right that any group, no matter how good the grip might be, is going to have a few bad apples. It's not the bad apples that are the real issue. In this case, the victim doesn't have confidence that the police are policing their own, and that plays into a broader narritive. Cops should get the benefit of the doubt, but they should also be held to a higher standard. I won't hypothesize on whether or not the behavior is criminal, but is there any question whether this officer, as well as the supervisor, should ever have their badge returned? | |||
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| Rail-less and Tail-less |
Yup. We call Charlotte PD multiple times a shift some days to help with unruly patients. I'm sure I have seen Chongo befor and just not known it was him. _______________________________________________ Use thumb-size bullets to create fist-size holes. | |||
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