Salt Lake PD puts on duty ED Charge Nurse in handcuffs

September 04, 2017, 05:20 PM

46and2

(laughs)

quote:
Idaho police department on Friday revealed that the patient in a Utah hospital is one of its reserve officers and thanked the “heroic” nurse who informed law enforcement that it was against hospital policy to draw blood from an unconscious patient without a warrant.

The Rigby Police Department in a statement on Facebook identified the patient as William Gray, one of its reserve officers. Rigby is a city in southeast Idaho.

The department said Gray was “severely injured” in a car accident during his full-time truck-driving job.

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September 04, 2017, 05:43 PM

4859

I hope that badge heavy asshole gets fired.

September 04, 2017, 06:40 PM

AH.74

quote:
Originally posted by Ronin1069:
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I assure you, if I am ever illegally arrested, or my rights are otherwise violated, by my agency or any other, I expect to get a payout that will lead to an early retirement.

Yep the cop was wrong.
Yep the nurse should get paid.

My problem is with the carefully crafted lawyer phrases. Just bugs me I guess.

The cop wasn't just wrong. He treated a highly-trained medical professional like a common-criminal street thug, aside from everything else. He should never have manhandled her as he did. That is the worst part of the whole thing for me. Treat the nurse with professionalism and respect, even while illegally arresting her. Nothing less was acceptable.

I have no problem with anything she and her attorney/s are doing or saying.

September 04, 2017, 06:45 PM

Rightwire

I think the easiest path for this officer was to escalate to the nursing supervisor, and on and on up the food chain . What did arresting the nurse net him? No blood, more paperwork, and a nomination for jackass of the week.

September 04, 2017, 06:52 PM

Ronin1069

Okay guys,

Going to put it all on the table here and cut open a vein.

I was raised in a small town and to believe that police are the ultimate sign of respect. Literally every encounter I have had with the police have been professional and friendly.
It's in my DNA to always give officers the benefit-of-the-doubt, and these recent cases of rogue cops on video" have really caused me to question...lot's of stuff.

Naive? Maybe. But I genuinely appreciate the way most in this thread have expressed their points. Here I am in my 40's and still finding that not all of my childhood heroes are always, "heroic".

September 04, 2017, 06:53 PM

rburg

quote:
Originally posted by Rightwire:
and a nomination for jackass of the week.

I think you're far to generous. I'd buy into jackass of the year or even decade.

September 04, 2017, 07:04 PM

Sig2340

quote:
Originally posted by Rightwire:
... a nomination for jackass of the week.

nomination for jackass of the week subject to a criminal investigation and suspension (albeit with pay)of the authority he was entrusted with.

September 04, 2017, 07:08 PM

slosig

quote:
Originally posted by Ronin1069:
Okay guys,

Going to put it all on the table here and cut open a vein.

I was raised in a small town and to believe that police are the ultimate sign of respect. Literally every encounter I have had with the police have been professional and friendly.
It's in my DNA to always give officers the benefit-of-the-doubt, and these recent cases of rogue cops on video" have really caused me to question...lot's of stuff.

Naive? Maybe. But I genuinely appreciate the way most in this thread have expressed their points. Here I am in my 40's and still finding that not all of my childhood heroes are always, "heroic".

The reality is that police are people. If you simply look at a cross section of people there is going to be a certain percentage of "problem children" in any sizable group, be it LEOs, doctors, lawyers, EMTs/Parmedics, garbage collectors, whatever.* My experience leads me to believe that percentage is probably lower in a law enforcement organization (at least a competently run one) than the general population, but that there will still be a non-zero percentage in any significant sized agency.

In this case, it is clear that the agency is nothing like competently run, and its percentage of "problem children" may approach or even exceed that of the general population. I may have a bad attitude, but I think heads should roll over this and it should start at the top (mayor, chief) and work down from there.

*SIGforum may be the exception that proves the rule as Para seems to be pretty efficient at removing "problem children".

September 04, 2017, 07:46 PM

Sig2340

Police no longer allowed to interact with hospital nursing staff.

Well that worked out well for the police.

. Need blood? Draw it yourself. Coffee? Dunkin Donuts is down the street.

Bravo for the hospital administration.

September 04, 2017, 07:56 PM

ArtieS

quote:
Okay guys,

Going to put it all on the table here and cut open a vein.

I was raised in a small town and to believe that police are the ultimate sign of respect. Literally every encounter I have had with the police have been professional and friendly.
It's in my DNA to always give officers the benefit-of-the-doubt, and these recent cases of rogue cops on video" have really caused me to question...lot's of stuff.

Naive? Maybe. But I genuinely appreciate the way most in this thread have expressed their points. Here I am in my 40's and still finding that not all of my childhood heroes are always, "heroic".

I was brought up the same way in the same town. I'm 51. Two of my cousins are retired NYPD.

I have great respect and affection for police officers and think that at their best, they are representative of the better angles of our nature. Things like this pain me because they spill over and color the opinion of people toward all police officers.

Like you, almost all (not quite all, but almost) of my interactions with the police as a citizen have been positive. Professionally, however I have had police lie to a judge, misrepresent facts to me as a prosecutor, and generally screw my case. So there are some bad apples out there.

I don't let it get me down, and I give the guys doing a tough job the benefit of the doubt. But I also hold them to a high standard.

As Reagan said, "Trust, but verify."

September 04, 2017, 07:59 PM

XLT

quote:
Originally posted by ArtieS:
quote:
As she embraces her new founded social media fame more and more, my sympathies for this nurse become less and less....

Not for me. She waited a month, and saw that the local authorities were doing nothing. So she dropped a bomb on them. I would have done the same. I would have given them the chance to get it right on their own. Instead, they took the opportunity to try to sweep this mess under the rug and hope it went away.

She put a stop to that, and I say good for her. I don't want an officer with that kind of a short fuse carrying a gun and interacting with me. When his department didn't do anything about it, she lit them up.

Fuck them. She should be compensated for this bullshit.

September 04, 2017, 08:07 PM

a1abdj

quote:
If you simply look at a cross section of people there is going to be a certain percentage of "problem children" in any sizable group, be it LEOs, doctors, lawyers, EMTs/Parmedics, garbage collectors, whatever.

Which is why I believe judging people on an individual basis and not by what group they belong to is the best method.

Anybody know how the injured officer fared? All of this other stuff is overshadowing the fact that this guy was seriously injured just trying to perform his job as a truck driver. I haven't read anything on his current condition.

September 04, 2017, 08:51 PM

Sig2340

quote:
Originally posted by a1abdj:
quote:
If you simply look at a cross section of people there is going to be a certain percentage of "problem children" in any sizable group, be it LEOs, doctors, lawyers, EMTs/Parmedics, garbage collectors, whatever.

Which is why I believe judging people on an individual basis and not by what group they belong to is the best method.

Anybody know how the injured officer fared? All of this other stuff is overshadowing the fact that this guy was seriously injured just trying to perform his job as a truck driver. I haven't read anything on his current condition.

Last I read he is in a medically induced coma.

September 04, 2017, 08:53 PM

nhtagmember

quote:
Originally posted by Sig2340:
Police no longer allowed to interact with hospital nursing staff.

Well that worked out well for the police. . Need blood? Draw it yourself. Coffee? Dunkin Donuts is down the street.

Bravo for the hospital administration.

right answer - you don't get to hang out with the adults until you prove you're competent

still can't understand why this guy wasn't fired...he's on vacation

September 04, 2017, 09:30 PM

XinTX

quote:
Originally posted by nhtagmember:
quote:
Originally posted by Sig2340:
Police no longer allowed to interact with hospital nursing staff.

Well that worked out well for the police. . Need blood? Draw it yourself. Coffee? Dunkin Donuts is down the street.

Bravo for the hospital administration.

right answer - you don't get to hang out with the adults until you prove you're competent

still can't understand why this guy wasn't fired...he's on vacation

Fired? Dude should be in PMITA prison. At a minimum a loose canon like him should never hold a job that has him carrying a weapon. Not if he's that quick to escalate things to the level of the absurd.

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September 04, 2017, 10:31 PM

SapperSteel

quote:
Originally posted by a1abdj:
quote:
If you simply look at a cross section of people there is going to be a certain percentage of "problem children" in any sizable group, be it LEOs, doctors, lawyers, EMTs/Parmedics, garbage collectors, whatever.

Which is why I believe judging people on an individual basis and not by what group they belong to is the best method.. . .

^^^^^THIS! Amen. Hit the nail square on the head.

September 04, 2017, 10:40 PM

c1steve

"The new policy, which was implemented in mid-August, will require police to interact with the hospital supervisor. It also will prevent law enforcement officials from entering the emergency room, burn unit or other patient areas in the hospital."

Hopefully at the next election the people of SLC will "throw the bums out". The mayor sounds like a douchebag, and he most likely hires and promotes others that think like he does.

September 04, 2017, 10:57 PM

2000Z-71

quote:
Originally posted by Sig2340:
Police no longer allowed to interact with hospital nursing staff.

Well that worked out well for the police. . Need blood? Draw it yourself. Coffee? Dunkin Donuts is down the street.

Bravo for the hospital administration.

From the linked article:

quote:
The new policy, which was implemented in mid-August, will require police to interact with the hospital supervisor. It also will prevent law enforcement officials from entering the emergency room, burn unit or other patient areas in the hospital.

Somebody didn't think this one through, it's going to make for a lot of problems in the ER. We routinely have an off duty officer in the ER. Then there's all the other instances of traumas, motor vehicle accidents, medical clearance for arrest, transport of petitioned psych patients, even when we have to call them to arrest a disorderly patient.

Yes, changes need to be made between how the hospital and the police interact in Salt Lake City, but this is swinging the pendulum way too far. This sounds like it came from an out of touch administrator who has no clue about the everyday happenings in the ER and thinks everything is unicorns, rainbows and jellybean fields.

September 04, 2017, 11:02 PM

ECSquirrel

quote:
Originally posted by slosig:

The reality is that police are people. If you simply look at a cross section of people there is going to be a certain percentage of "problem children" in any sizable group, be it LEOs, doctors, lawyers, EMTs/Parmedics, garbage collectors, whatever.* My experience leads me to believe that percentage is probably lower in a law enforcement organization (at least a competently run one) than the general population, but that there will still be a non-zero percentage in any significant sized agency.

In this case, it is clear that the agency is nothing like competently run, and its percentage of "problem children" may approach or even exceed that of the general population. I may have a bad attitude, but I think heads should roll over this and it should start at the top (mayor, chief) and work down from there.

*SIGforum may be the exception that proves the rule as Para seems to be pretty efficient at removing "problem children".

Officers do and should get the benefit of any doubt in a situation such as this. I think you have misidentified the situation here- time not that cops are people. You're right that any group, no matter how good the grip might be, is going to have a few bad apples. It's not the bad apples that are the real issue. In this case, the victim doesn't have confidence that the police are policing their own, and that plays into a broader narritive. Cops should get the benefit of the doubt, but they should also be held to a higher standard.

I won't hypothesize on whether or not the behavior is criminal, but is there any question whether this officer, as well as the supervisor, should ever have their badge returned?

September 04, 2017, 11:12 PM

Dusty78

quote:
Originally posted by 2000Z-71:
quote:
Originally posted by Sig2340:
Police no longer allowed to interact with hospital nursing staff.

Well that worked out well for the police. . Need blood? Draw it yourself. Coffee? Dunkin Donuts is down the street.

Bravo for the hospital administration.

From the linked article:
quote:
The new policy, which was implemented in mid-August, will require police to interact with the hospital supervisor. It also will prevent law enforcement officials from entering the emergency room, burn unit or other patient areas in the hospital.

Somebody didn't think this one through, it's going to make for a lot of problems in the ER. We routinely have an off duty officer in the ER. Then there's all the other instances of traumas, motor vehicle accidents, medical clearance for arrest, transport of petitioned psych patients, even when we have to call them to arrest a disorderly patient.

Yes, changes need to be made between how the hospital and the police interact in Salt Lake City, but this is swinging the pendulum way too far. This sounds like it came from an out of touch administrator who has no clue about the everyday happenings in the ER and thinks everything is unicorns, rainbows and jellybean fields.

Yup. We call Charlotte PD multiple times a shift some days to help with unruly patients. I'm sure I have seen Chongo befor and just not known it was him.