Okay here is some more information. spoke with some SLCPD officers and Det Payne is a phlebotomist. Trained by the department.

This hospital has had numerous run ins with law enforcement over the last couple of years. I know of two troopers have been refused access to the patients they brought in after being arrested as DUI suspects. The troopers had warrants both times and the charge nurse who refused them access both times was none other than nurse Wubbels. The troopers had to call their supervisors who had to call the hospital supervisors and hour to an hour and a half later they were granted access.

That being said no one I know in the troopers or SLC pd believe that Payne was right and performing correctly. Wubbels was right and Payne was the problem.

And from the rumor mill in SLCPD... Payne and the lt Ran the decision all the way up the chain to the very top before they acted.

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Originally posted by Sig2340:
Police no longer allowed to interact with hospital nursing staff.

Well that worked out well for the police. . Need blood? Draw it yourself. Coffee? Dunkin Donuts is down the street.

Bravo for the hospital administration.

Yeah, we will see how that works out for the hospital down the road.

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Originally posted by gw3971:
Okay here is some more information. spoke with some SLCPD officers and Det Payne is a phlebotomist. Trained by the department.

This hospital has had numerous run ins with law enforcement over the last couple of years. I know of two troopers have been refused access to the patients they brought in after being arrested as DUI suspects. The troopers had warrants both times and the charge nurse who refused them access both times was none other than nurse Wubbels. The troopers had to call their supervisors who had to call the hospital supervisors and hour to an hour and a half later they were granted access.

That being said no one I know in the troopers or SLC pd believe that Payne was right and performing correctly. Wubbels was right and Payne was the problem.

And from the rumor mill in SLCPD... Payne and the lt Ran the decision all the way up the chain to the very top before they acted.

interesting, but not germane to current screw up. I don't see past interactions as allowing false arrest. If they truly ran it all the way up the chain, then there are a bunch more folks in management with really poor judgement that need to have some daylight shone on their behavior. Begs the question of what actions did SLCPD take after prior "run ins" to clarify access / arrest policy? And sounds like they decided to "make an example" and it is blowing up in their faces like an exploding cigar.

questions - have not heard of officers trained to draw blood. guess it makes some sense. But, if it happens outside the police station, like at the hospital, is the hospital supposed to cover any malpractice / injury issues if they allow Payne to draw blood in their facility and he screws up? (or more likely, if the drawee wants to fight it, and sues everyone?)

having to call your supervisor and have them work through details with another authority for an hour is unacceptable? seems pretty normal. I don't see a badge as making anyone king of the world, where everyone must obey without question. No experience here, but how does one go from "DUI suspect" to having a warrant sworn out? is that automatic? I thought getting a warrant took a judge to sign off? In which case, the story of "prior run ins" stinks too.

I hope that pinhead never carries a badge and gun again. I'm surprised more hospital staff didn't step in and tackle that moron.

Have they determined exactly why the SLPD was so hot for this guys blood?

I can't wait to see what happens six months to a year down the road. This new hospital policy that people here are crowing about is going to backfire if it is as the article portrays it to be. Bad. BTDT. The only thing that may save them is if the area is heavy leftie commie socialist. If it isn't, the hospital has shot themselves in both feet and one hand. I predict in six months to a year, the hospital will have a "leadership" change, and "after reviewing all aspects of policy has decided to rescind the current policy of contact with law enforcement". The CEO (and new CEO) will apologize profusely to LE and the public.

Each time that a child that has been abused is brought in, and the hospital tries to play this game of supervisor telephone, that video will be leaked to the media. Each time there is a rape victim and they play this bullshit. Leaked to the media. And you don't think there will be a shitstorm on social media over that? You don't think that won't cost the hospital business? Yeah, it isn't going to work out like people think. This will be a PR nightmare for the hospital that will make this video that people will forget about in six months look like a birthday party. The hospital will scream and cry that the leaked videos are "HIPPA violations" to make it stop, but that ship has sailed. They've taken a position on something they should have kept their mouth shut on.

Plus, all the hospital staff that have enjoyed professional courtesy on traffic violations? That is over with. The hospital will drastically change their tune soon. I've seen this type of stuff go down before. And it isn't going to work out like they (and some of the public) think. I also hope that the hospital security staff is beefed up to handle the fights in the ER on their own. I suspect if there was any contract security that the agency was providing that is over.

Nobody, especially victims and general public that need to seek medical attention from time to time, are going to benefit from the short sighted gun control-esqe policy that the hospital has enacted. The hospital is in for a rough ride, they'll either figure it out on their own, or they'll continue to deny it and dig the hole deeper until they can no longer see light.

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Plus, all the hospital staff that have enjoyed professional courtesy on traffic violations? That is over with. The hospital will drastically change their tune soon.

"Hospital staff that enjoy professional courtesy" Somehow that sounds like blackmail to me, "professional courtesy" to the precious few, granted when they behave sounds kind of like blackmail to me. But that is the way many cops operate. Too bad!

That hospital saved my life several months ago, not only from a current problem but from a time bomb waiting to kill me later. I have been in many hospitals, this one is the best by far, completely professional in all respects. Their administration should have nothing to fear.

Just think, phlebotomists trained by the police?? Soon neuro surgeons are going to have competition.

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Originally posted by jljones:
Plus, all the hospital staff that have enjoyed professional courtesy on traffic violations? That is over with. The hospital will drastically change their tune soon.

What in the world are you even talking about?

I'm fairly certain that the hospital staff doesn't care about some perceived slack they might be cut if they were stopped by officers from that department. It's not as if they're going around non-stop getting speeding tickets, is it?

I've no doubt, though, that they do care about police officers threatening to arrest them during the course of their job duties, and it looks like that stuff has been put to a halt.

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Originally posted by Ed Fowler:

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Plus, all the hospital staff that have enjoyed professional courtesy on traffic violations? That is over with. The hospital will drastically change their tune soon.

"Hospital staff that enjoy professional courtesy" Somehow that sounds like blackmail to me, "professional courtesy" to the precious few, granted when they behave sounds kind of like blackmail to me. But that is the way many cops operate. Too bad!

That hospital saved my life several months ago, not only from a current problem but from a time bomb waiting to kill me later. I have been in many hospitals, this one is the best by far, completely professional in all respects. Their administration should have nothing to fear.

Just think, phlebotomists trained by the police?? Soon neuro surgeons are going to have competition.

Funny, but some good points. I teach business in college, but was trained as a combat medic during the Vietnam era, trained to draw blood, start IV's, also catheters. So I am a phlebotomist and a urologist.

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Originally posted by gw3971:
This hospital has had numerous run ins with law enforcement over the last couple of years.

Has local LE had the same issue with the other hospital system in the valley, which is arguably bigger in a lot of ways than the U's system?

The new policy, which was implemented in mid-August, will require police to interact with the hospital supervisor. It also will prevent law enforcement officials from entering the emergency room, burn unit or other patient areas in the hospital.

This sounds like a bad idea. The ER staff, if they are anything like the hospitals in our area, routinely call pd for disorderly patients, visitors, and associated problems. So, will the ERifle staff just deal with the problems themselves?

I'm just stating facts. We can nitpick and whatnot, but I've seen this go down before. Others can learn from it from the mistakes of others, just as the police needs to learn from this, or they can focus on a bit to try to marginalize things to make it sound like further corruption.

The hospital in question have screwed themselves in a PR nightmare of their own creation.

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Originally posted by DonDraper:

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Originally posted by jljones:
Plus, all the hospital staff that have enjoyed professional courtesy on traffic violations? That is over with. The hospital will drastically change their tune soon.

What in the world are you even talking about?

It is an admission that police put personal preference and whim above the law. After all, they have a badge and a gun, they are the law, and they will burn you if you forget it.

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Originally posted by jljones:
The hospital in question have screwed themselves in a PR nightmare of their own creation.

Yes, my goodness, we can't have people who've done nothing wrong objecting to be arrested. Where might such madness end? These people might end up thinking that they have rights under the US Constitution and under state or local law. They need to understand that they shouldn't cause any trouble for the police, not if they know what's good for 'em, right?

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Originally posted by mlazarus:
The new policy, which was implemented in mid-August, will require police to interact with the hospital supervisor. It also will prevent law enforcement officials from entering the emergency room, burn unit or other patient areas in the hospital.

This sounds like a bad idea. The ER staff, if they are anything like the hospitals in our area, routinely call pd for disorderly patients, visitors, and associated problems. So, will the ERifle staff just deal with the problems themselves?

Uhh, pretty sure it won't apply to that situation. Come on

That's not what I'm saying, Para. The cop was wrong based upon what I read. This policy, or things like it, has been done before in other places, and it has never worked out to the hospitals, or patients benefit.

The hospitals that have tried stuff like this have become war zones, and people that don't want to be treated in a war zone go other places. The hospital in question will lose revenue, and that drives decision making.

Sure, I understand. You're saying that the people who work in that hospital and who've done nothing wrong better be prepared for vindictive behavior from the personnel of that police department, and if any people being admitted to that hospital get "caught in the middle", it is the fault of the people at the hospital for standing up against the police with regards to this horse shit.

It's as clear as can be what you're saying.

I can certainly see how this might concern you, since the people who staff hospitals get paid by the patient, right? Riiiiight

Now, let's all put away our little peckers.

I'm just stating what I have observed. I have no dog in the race, nor have I been involved in a dispute with any hospital.

In six months to a year, either this hospital will walk back their policy or they won't. I suspect they will.

You're making predictions which, frankly, sound like wishful thinking.