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delicately calloused |
Good point. I hadn't thought of personal matters. You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
I mentioned this to my hospital administrator spouse and BOOM!! you would have thought that I arrested her myself. I'm talking immediate explosion. I certainly hope that DOUCHEBAGE Payne regrets his actions for the balance of his road kill collecting and eating life as homeless person. Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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Corgis Rock |
While the police are outside, one office suggested getting a warrant. Payne said they didn't have "the PC" (Probable cause)to get a warrant. Payne also makes the remark that he's "never had to go this far." Clearly, he's pulled this stunt before. “ The work of destruction is quick, easy and exhilarating; the work of creation is slow, laborious and dull. | |||
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| Corgis Rock |
Supposedly, all the body cam data takes up a lot of computer memory. Plus it has to be held for a number of years. I've hear some departments have the policy not to turn on the camera until they reach a scene or get out of their car. A couple of years ago Seattle got into a FOIA fight with the local media. They didn't want to release anything. Their "solution" was to hold the recordings for "X" period or time, the release them. However, the "X" period was also the date to destroy the recordings. “ The work of destruction is quick, easy and exhilarating; the work of creation is slow, laborious and dull. | |||
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| No double standards |
So the rule is to turn off the camera when you are taking care of personal hygiene, when you are patrolling in your car but not on any calls, or when you think you are about to do something that is illegal, or at least embarrassing to the department.  "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 | |||
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| Author, cowboy, friend to all |
In the old days when a good cop witnessed the actions of a bad cop it was his word against the bad cop. ie - Serpico. Today the good cop can turn on his camera and have a recording of the bad cop and will have concrete evidence he can use against the bad cop. All that remains is where he takes his evidence? A corrupt supervisor or department will destroy the recording for the good "moral" of the department. The establishment of an ethics bureau on the state level, or even the federal level would be a place to start. | |||
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| Corgis Rock |
"The following is a partial list of policy recommendations based on research conducted by PERF and the COPS Office.1 Agencies should adapt these recommendations to fit their own needs, resources, legal requirements, and philosophical approach. With limited exceptions, officers should be required to activate their body-worn cameras when responding to all calls for service and during all law enforcement-related encounters and activities that occur while the officer is on duty. Policies should clearly define what is included in this requirement (e.g., traffic stops, arrests, searches, interrogations, pursuits). When in doubt, officers should record. Many agencies provide exceptions for situations in which recording is unsafe, impossible, or impractical but require officers to articulate in writing or on camera their reasons for not recording. Officers should be required to obtain consent prior to recording interviews with crime victims. This addresses the significant privacy concerns associated with videotaping crime victims. Officers should have the discretion to keep their cameras turned off during conversations with crime witnesses and members of the community who wish to discuss criminal activity in their neighborhood. Some witnesses and community members may be hesitant to come forward if they know they will be recorded. This can undermine community policing and intelligence-gathering efforts. Due to the evidentiary value of these statements, officer should make every attempt to record unless the person is unwilling to speak on camera. In some cases, victims or witnesses may agree to only an audio recording, so an officer may agree to point the camera away from the person and record audio only. https://cops.usdoj.gov/html/di...n_camera_program.asp Recall this summer? "Minneapolis police officers will be required to turn on their body cameras as soon as they start responding to 911 calls, part of a policy overhaul announced on Wednesday as fallout continues from the fatal shooting of an unarmed Australian woman by an officer who was wearing a camera but not recording. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/0...-fatal-shooting.html “ The work of destruction is quick, easy and exhilarating; the work of creation is slow, laborious and dull. | |||
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| delicately calloused |
I'd prolly turn mine off while I'm belting out some Olivia Newton John music in my best falsetto.... You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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| No double standards |
If I tried belting out such music, people would record it wit their I-thingeys to have evidence of my cruel and unusual punishment of others. "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 | |||
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| Ignored facts still exist |
Especially when singing Lets Get Physical while in the middle of a foot pursuit. . | |||
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| No double standards |
"Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower  |
If our standard here is holding decades-old shit over each other, very, very few people would pass muster. My wife would be one of them, she'd pass with flying colors. I wouldn't pass. Neither would most of you. | |||
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| Official forum SIG Pro enthusiast  |
Very good point Parabellum. At my old job while I was still fairly new I had a question about policy and asked a coworker instead of a manager. The coworker was VERY wrong and I went with their bad advice. I ended up on final corrective action. I would go on to be quite successful at that organization but if somone with an axe to grind wanted to pull up my history at that company they would see my mistake and have decent ammo they could use to attack my character. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The price of liberty and even of common humanity is eternal vigilance | |||
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| Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
Pretty harsh.
Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower |
Just what in the Hell do people want, with bringing up shit that happened 20 or more years ago? So what? The videotape of the arrest in question speaks for itself. Saying that officer so-and-so was disciplined for whatever, 27 years ago, good grief, who freaking cares? It smacks of desperation. | |||
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| No double standards |
I was merely wondering if there was a pattern here, some incidents documented, maybe some not. Given the demeanor of the two officers in the current matter, I would be surprised if they abused their authority only twice in that time span. But you are correct, the past incidents, if that's all there is, don't shed any light here. I don't know how common it is for officers to have such hearings/investigations for stepping out of line. Maybe many/most officers have one or two dings in their folders. I know many attys have people who have filed grievances against them, also many doctors. "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 | |||
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| Non-Miscreant |
And we're up to 18 pages and I have yet to see anything relevant. All the free citizens want to see the two officers tossed out on their ear. All the medical folks want them charged with a crime and sent off to the state pen where they can enjoy some recreational sex. The police union wants nothing done at all, and they'll fight over it. The gay mayor knows she needs to exert authority and get these clowns tossed out. Her prime constituency probably has suffered more police brutality than any other. Sure, we've all seen the flicks that show the assholes doing what assholes do. The only effective punishment will occur if they get indicted and convicted. That will remove the decision making from the hands of politicians and put it squarely in the hands of the jury. Just like po black folk don't want rich white jurors, abusive cops don't either. Maybe the most important fact that hasn't been reported is the religion of the cops and who their close family is in the church. That could trump all the incriminating photos. Unhappy ammo seeker | |||
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Maybe it hasn't been reported because it's not relevant to the investigation. Eighteen pages in and multiple input from local LEO and no mention of the cops' faith (if any)........probably a non-starter. P229 | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower |
rburg was being sarcastic. | |||
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Payne (the main idiot) has a documented sexual harassment disciplinary reprimand in his file from 4 years ago. That is relevant. -------------------------------- Proverbs 27:17 - As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another. | |||
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