quote:

Originally posted by braillediver:
Witnesses of what- Hearsay? Might as well be looking into Bigfoot while we're here- There's as much "Proof" of that as UFO's.

No, aerospace co and dept of energy employees who have worked on projects that spent a lot of your tax dollars. It’s worth getting past the ontological shock if for no other reason than to understand how your money was spent.

quote:

Originally posted by 2PAK:
I just want to know if Ray guns are real...

Ask Shatner.

They tried this scam in Canada a decade ago.

This article looks at if it’s a huge psyop or pending scandal involving misappropriation of funds.

Looming UFO Scandal

I feel dumber for having read that article. You seriously have to be fucking with us. “A decades long program of UFO retrieval and reverse engineering”. So you truly believe these fuckers not only conquered space but unfortunately couldn’t stick the landing but they have crashed multiple times?

Space flight yes? Not crashing no? Multiple times.

This is stupidity heaped on top of more stupidity. Anyone who truly believes this is being stupid.

As easily explained as by recognizing that they don’t care what the letters on the door says as long as the money keeps coming. It’s always money.

quote:

Originally posted by pedropcola:
I feel dumber for having read that article. You seriously have to be fucking with us. “A decades long program of UFO retrieval and reverse engineering”. So you truly believe these fuckers not only conquered space but unfortunately couldn’t stick the landing but they have crashed multiple times?

Space flight yes? Not crashing no? Multiple times.

This is stupidity heaped on top of more stupidity. Anyone who truly believes this is being stupid.

As easily explained as by recognizing that they don’t care what the letters on the door says as long as the money keeps coming. It’s always money.

A high altitude nuclear test called starfish prime in the 1960s put off a massive EMP which showed the government that even very advanced craft are not immune to those electromagnetic pulses. Why do you think we then did a bunch of nuclear tests in the water, underground and in the air?

Dude you are nuts. I’m glad you have a hobby you enjoy but it is impossible to take you seriously.

So now I’m to think that the govt is using EMP to take down the greenies? Did that air burst drop multiple craft that were circling the globe at the time?

As for doing tests, what part of this surprises you? They tested a nuke on land, in the air, and underwater, and? What the ever loving fuck does that have to do with aliens?

You sound like a nutter. Or you just like getting a rise out of people which at least makes sense.

I witnessed something incredibly stupid this past week in Hamilton Georgia.

A friend of mine there gets off work late and wanted to try the electric bikes I built recently so we went for a late night ride on the VERY rural roads he lives near.

We ended up stopping at a public boat launch and hung out on the dock just catching up as it had been a while since I had seen my friend.

It was about 3:30am and we were just about to ride back when a side by side came tearing down the street and into the parking lot of the boat launch.

The side by side ATV’s driver then did something that I still cannot understand. They drove the ATV down the boat ramp until I could hear water splashing. Then they backed up the ramp and proceeded to back down the other ramp until the ATV exhaust was under water.

Then the Genius revved the engine a few times. The burbling exhaust note must have brought the riders of the ATV joy because I heard laughing before the ATV drove back up the ramp and tore out of the parking lot.

Why did I tell you this random as hell thing I witnessed recently?

If aliens exist and if any of them enjoy doing stupid things like those ATV riders then I could see how it is within the realm of possibilities that some hill billy aliens could crash their UFO doing something similar with their craft as those geniuses did with their side by side.



It could happen but I don’t believe it has. This really feels like distraction with the only proof so far being the equivalent of “trust me bro these people who are super serious and honest told me they saw aliens”. There hasn’t been a single bit of evidence shown so far that couldn’t be faked or used as part of a misinformation campaign.

quote:

Originally posted by pedropcola:
Dude you are nuts.

There's no reason for that. He's not going to change his mind and you won't make him think he's crazy. It's pointless and rude to behave this way. State your case and accept the fact that there's as much chance of you changing his mind, as there is of he changing yours.

quote:

Or you just like getting a rise out of people which at least makes sense.

Any rise coming out of this is your own doing. Take it easy.

The bottom line on this issue is this - where is the physical evidence? There is only one case that in my view comes even close. If you count three individuals, one a child, that say they saw the craft close up (not a light in the sky, but the actual craft) and were diagnosed with severe radiation burns right after the encounter, this is the case.

https://www.chron.com/neighbor...-Landrum-9393577.php

There are many other accounts of this case. Just pick out a few key words to google and you will get other accounts of the case. Doctors all say they were exposed to radiation at high levels. Who exposes a child to radiation for a hoax?

Could that not be some classified craft? We have nuclear subs and have considered nuclear powered aircraft.

Maybe some other nation made something that the USA considered but abandoned due to the dangers of collateral damage in the event of a mechanical failure.

Radiation doesn’t immediately mean aliens. It’s not ideal to think aliens when it could be a rival nation with a lower safety threshold and lower regard for human life.

quote:

Originally posted by stickman428:
Could that not be some classified craft? We have nuclear subs and have considered nuclear powered aircraft.

Maybe some other nation made something that the USA considered but abandoned due to the dangers of collateral damage in the event of a mechanical failure.

Radiation doesn’t immediately mean aliens. It’s not ideal to think aliens when it could be a rival nation with a lower safety threshold and lower regard for human life.

It happened in Texas. I think it's possible it may have been some sort of experimental craft that was of U.S. manufacture. I wouldn't say this is very likely of alien origin. But I would say this one is a strong maybe. Of all the cases I have read about, this is one of the best. If you read up on the case, there are a lot of interesting details. But it is an objectively verifiable fact that all three suffered radiation burns.

It could be US built sure but it could just as easily be made somewhere else. If the propulsion and craft as a whole is so advanced as to be on par the US stealth aircraft operating over hostile nations before their existence was known by anyone who didn’t need to know then I would absolutely expect it to operate outside of its country of manufacture.

quote:

Originally posted by pedropcola:
Dude you are nuts. I’m glad you have a hobby you enjoy but it is impossible to take you seriously.

So now I’m to think that the govt is using EMP to take down the greenies? Did that air burst drop multiple craft that were circling the globe at the time?

As for doing tests, what part of this surprises you? They tested a nuke on land, in the air, and underwater, and? What the ever loving fuck does that have to do with aliens?

You sound like a nutter. Or you just like getting a rise out of people which at least makes sense.

Not trying to get a rise out of anybody. I don’t have personal knowledge of any of this and have myself wondered if it’s an 80+ year psyop spanning numerous administrations. If what Grusch says is true (that he has the locations of the hardware and bodies) Congress can go verify it (if they act fast enough). My understanding is that the intelligence folks refused to allow congressmen the secured facility to get the details from him in a classified setting. So somebody is trying to disrupt it.

quote:

Originally posted by Accomplice:
Why do you think we then did a bunch of nuclear tests in the water, underground and in the air?

Under Ground- We were studying the detectable signature of nuclear blasts so we could Detect and Understand other nations tests. Even if they tried to conceal them.

Arms control treaties would be meaningless if a country was able to conceal their tests.

I don't buy the Bubba theory of aliens doing stupid shit and crashing.
If they're so advanced that they could get a craft here across such distances then they should be smart enough to have 10x redundant systems to prevent a catastrophe.

And, unless they could make the trip in some small fraction of their lifespan, they would use robotic probes.

I believe there is other life out in the universe, but I absolutely do not believe they have made it here.

I wasn’t trying to argue that Aliens have crashed here and how it happened but rather pose a scenario that could happen if alien hill billies exist. If the universe is as big as folks say it is then alien hill billies could very well exist somewhere.

I don’t think bubba has crashed here yet. There are examples of aliens being used as misdirection to conceal black projects. There is more proof this is all misinformation than there is proof that aliens have crashed their intergalactic ATV here.

I know why I think they continued testing nukes. Why do you think they continued testing nukes? Was it to take down aliens? Was Starfish aimed at aliens? Was follow on bursts aimed at aliens? Is that what you truly believe?

As to your question, I think they continued with nuclear tests for many reasons (Over 1000 bursts). Improving the tech, reliability, and yield. Discovering tactics with nukes big and small. Exploring different variants that yield different results. None of which constitute an attempt to shoot down spaceships from alien worlds.

Slightly off topic, but - nuclear testing never stopped, only the nuclear detonation stopped. The U.S., and probably other nuclear powers, still conduct "sub-critical" tests, as recently as last year. Just prior to a test I got to tour the test set-up under the Nevada desert while at USEPA. The tests are conducted to determine if the bombs or plutonium or whatever is still good/will still work. Wouldn't want to get into a nuclear war with an arsenal of duds.

https://english.kyodonews.net/...nder-biden-govt.html

https://www.energy.gov/nnsa/ar...logy-conference-2023

Well this is interesting. If someone is willing to break the law and disclose medical records in an effort to discredit someone it really makes me more curious that perhaps there is more to this.
I understand the intent but it has the opposite effect to me. Why go so hard if it’s all bullshit? Why not just let the story fade away which it was already doing?


Link to article

UFO whistleblower David Grusch’s health records leaked: Coulthart

NewsNation’s exclusive interview with UFO whistleblower David Grusch sparked international attention with his claim the U.S. government has secretly been in possession of nonhuman spacecraft. Investigative journalist Ross Coulthart says Grusch believes the government may now be behind an effort to release his medical records in an effort to smear his credibility.


In a statement to NewsNation, Grusch said he learned The Intercept intends to publish an article that highlights previous struggles he had with post traumatic stress disorder, grief and depression, specifically incidents in 2014 and 2018. Coulthart thinks someone in the intelligence community leaked Grusch’s medical records to the outlet.

A temporary detention order transferred (Grusch) to a psychiatric unit and inpatient program where he got the treatment that he needed. This is a document, that if the media had done the right thing, would be in his police department file in the county sheriff’s office,” Coulthart told NewsNation host Chris Cuomo on Tuesday.

Coulthart continued: “Dave checked today because he assumed that the journalist had done his homework and just asked the local sheriff for the files. The sheriff has confirmed it did not come from him. The only other place that had this information is the intelligence community. (…) The intelligence community leaked it.”

During his interview with Coulthart, the UFO whistleblower volunteered the information about his previous mental health issue.

“When I asked him whether there was any dirt that anybody could drag out to try to discredit him, he barely thought it was worth mentioning but he acknowledged that he’d suffered from PTSD when he returned from Afghanistan,” Coulthart said. “David served his country honorably and with distinction. He’s a decorated officer.”

In his own statement, Grusch said he struggled after coming home from Afghanistan and with the loss of a friend.

“I was personally affected again years later when a close friend of mine, an intelligence officer who was serving in Air Force Special Operations Command at the time, took his own life shortly after we last spoke,” Grusch said. “I am proud to be transparent on this matter and am glad I got the help I needed to continue my intelligence career.”

With the information about Grusch experiencing PTSD, the Department of Defense allowed Grusch to keep his security clearance.

“The intelligence community and the Defense Department clearly accepted that there was no issue because he was allowed to keep his security clearance,” Coulthart said.

Grusch told Coulthart that PTSD doesn’t affect him anymore and that it has not impacted the information he has come forward with about UFOs. Coulthart believes there should be an investigation into how Grusch’s records were shared.

“For anyone to seek to use the suffering of veterans, people who are dealing with PTSD, is utterly reprehensible. It’s contemptible and it should be exposed,” Coulthart said. “There should be an investigation into how a sensitive file like this was so obviously leaked within the intelligence community to try and discredit a good human being.”

Grusch, a former Air Force officer and intelligence official, recently testified before Congress that the U.S. has a secret UFO retrieval program and that people have been harmed in government cover-ups of UFO technology.