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Originally posted by YooperSigs:

Why in hell have we spent huge sums of money to attempt to explore Mars? When so many problems confront us right here in the U.S.? I get the fact that the use of Space near our planet has benefits for our society. But Mars?
Anyone really want to go there? Live there?
Cure cancer. Or the common cold, maybe? Fix our problems first, then rocket off to Mars!

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Originally posted by bobtheelf:
Faster than light travel is not possible.

Therefore, no aliens have visited us.

The scale of the universe is simply too large.

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Originally posted by WaterburyBob:
Funny how today there are millions of cameras EVERYWHERE, yet there are fewer photos from UFO sightings than there were in the 1950's.

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Originally posted by corsair:

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
Saying that credible sources (military pilots) exist is akin to fawning over “mil spec”. Total bullshit. I was a military pilot. I have seen things that I couldn’t explain. That isn’t because I saw aliens. It’s because there are a lot of laws of physics that I don’t understand by heart. Seeing things in the air is one of the easiest places to get wrong. There are a dozen things that make visual ID difficult airborne. Don’t even start with earthly technology that seems outer worldly if you have never seen it before.

This is idiocy that our taxpayer dollars are being wasted on this.

There is exactly ZERO credible evidence of aliens.

All three of those guys have given public comments and interviews on countless platforms prior to this hearing and none of what they've said is revelatory compared to their previous comments. As for each of the individuals, I'm more apt to believe Favor & Graves only because there's been enough comments from friends and colleagues supporting their character and both have commented in detail their 'encounters' while in the military and the systems they attempted to use. This guy David Grusch however, definitely comes across as an odd-ball, nobody has come out saying they know him or, worked with him before and his statements are generally vague, nothing substantive other than, 'I've seen things that others haven't, believe me.'
Congressional hearings have become more about grandstanding to get into public records, than uncovering anything of substance. How long is this thing going on for?

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Originally posted by Accomplice:
Roswell Crash - July, 1947, CIA Formed - Sept, 1947

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Originally posted by Accomplice:

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Originally posted by bobtheelf:
Faster than light travel is not possible.

Therefore, no aliens have visited us.

The scale of the universe is simply too large.

I always find this argument comical coming from a member of a species that did not have electricity 200 years ago. Just because we don’t comprehend it, it doesn’t mean it isn’t possible for a civilization that has been around thousands of years longer than we have. Imagine the ants in your yard saying there is not possible for any species to travel three houses over because it’s simply isn’t possible for them to do so.

Essentially, you are projecting current human limitations onto every other species without any knowledge of what they may be capable of.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Speed of light, not speed of light- it doesn't matter. Why behave as if this is the determining factor?

Here's what it comes down to: if you believe that this planet is being visited by beings from elsewhere, it's not because you objectively sought the truth; it's because you want to believe it's true, because it would be eerie and oh, so fascinating. You want it to be true, and in all of the flimsy "evidence" that people have been putting forth for decades, there has been nothing- nothing to confirm your beliefs. Nothing.

And yet, you forge ahead, confident in all of the nothing being presented, because you can't face facts.

And it has nothing to do with the physical laws of the Universe.

We're talking about how laughable it is for a civilization that didn't have electricity 200 years ago to yadda yadda. You wanna know what's really laughable? Failing to take into account or to even comprehend the massively vast distances between even the planets in our own solar system, not to mention between our system and other systems, which likely do not have intelligent life, and even when intelligent life is present, the time scale is a big factor. Even a matter of, say, 5,000 years means we would not live in the same epoch of some other civilization, which may be thousands or hundreds of thousands, millions of light years from Earth.

And then you have to assume faster-than-light travel and how these civilizations would care at all about a tiny blue rock so far away.

It's just ridiculous- all of it. Cut the speculation and show us real evidence. You cannot do so, for the simple reason that no such evidence exists, and it doesn't exist because there is no one and nothing visiting us.

It's juvenile fantasy. We are alone. We are on our own. No one is coming- not malevolently, not benevolently or benignly.

And when a key spokesman for the Biden administration is asked if aliens are visiting us and that assclown says "We don't know", my GOD!! Do the right thing and be outraged. Be embarrassed for us. It's kiddie bullshit and these people are supposed to be leading us!

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Originally posted by Accomplice:
I feel like I’ve fallen into a chat room from 1998. I had no idea such large swaths of people had not been keeping up with the state of our understanding of this phenomena. We’re past “are UFOs real?”. It’s been established by myriad sources, sensor data, etc. that a non-human intelligence is operating advanced craft in our atmosphere, and under the sea. One of the witnesses today is giving a list of both hostile and cooperative witnesses for Congress to reach out to, to prove that we have these recovered craft and bodies. It will be at 100% confirmed very soon. If they come up with evidence of these items stored at aerospace companies and the dept of energy, will you people understand that this is real or will you still be keeping your head in the sand? I’m OK with either because it is pretty shocking stuff.

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I don’t think that the folks at the center of this research believe they are extraterrestrial necessarily. They are calling them non-human intelligence and not ETs because they believe they may get here in ways that we do not understand, and from places that we do not understand. I don’t think that the consensus is that these folks are getting into vehicles on another planet, and traveling through space to our planet. There is a lot of information out there on this, so I would encourage you to research it.

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Originally posted by stickman428:
I recently discovered a YouTube channel called The Why Files that relates to all kinds of strange UFO/UAP phenomena stuff. It’s a FANTASTIC channel if you’re into mysterious things, aliens, Bigfoot and stuff like that. The Why Files piqued my interest in these hearings. Some of the people who love the channel speak of “disclosure” as though they are 100% certain extraterrestrial life exists.

Being aware of the intricate and incredibly creative misinformation campaigns (think Mirage Men documentary) the government has used in the past to conceal classified weaponry I am not 100% sure what we are being shown is anything more than a clever way to mess with people and leave China wondering what the hell we have.

It is damn interesting though.

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Originally posted by bobtheelf:

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Originally posted by Accomplice:

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Originally posted by bobtheelf:
Faster than light travel is not possible.

Therefore, no aliens have visited us.

The scale of the universe is simply too large.

I always find this argument comical coming from a member of a species that did not have electricity 200 years ago. Just because we don’t comprehend it, it doesn’t mean it isn’t possible for a civilization that has been around thousands of years longer than we have. Imagine the ants in your yard saying there is not possible for any species to travel three houses over because it’s simply isn’t possible for them to do so.

Essentially, you are projecting current human limitations onto every other species without any knowledge of what they may be capable of.

Well, there's the whole "breaking causality" thing too.

One of the great explanations I heard for the cosmic speed limit is that when you view spacetime as one 4-dimensional construct, then every movement of any sort can be described as a vector of a fixed magnitude. As you move faster in a space dimension, the direction of the vector changes to a spacial direction, but the magnitude does not. That's why you move slower through time as you move faster through space.

We can't go faster than light because we're already going the speed of light. We're just moving mostly through time, not space. If we were to move the speed of light through space, we would cease moving forward in time, and causality would break.