I could only imagine the questions at IAB, so Officer you had the suspect information ? Where she lived? Yet you chose to taser the XX? Years old person who’s elderly?

NYPD tased a young guy on a balcony who was an EDP and physically out of control, fell from balcony and dead, Lt at scene who gave the ok ate his gun.

Common sense needs to apply is it really worth the potential end result of zapping an elderly big mouth over a ticket, refusing to sign.

Only way I’d lay hands or use a weapon on someone that age is if I believed there was an imminent threat of serious harm or death. Certainly not worth it despite how much an asshole grandma is. Not worth being drug through the news, courts and rat squad for ticket, let alone getting sued.

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Originally posted by TMats:
Don’t believe I ever heard that refusing to sign a ticket was an arrestable offense. Hmm

Now, I've never lived in Wyoming and maybe they do things differently there, but in the seven states I have lived in, you get two choices: sign a receipt for the ticket, which includes your agreement to appear later, or opt not to and you get a free ride downtown.

The amazing thing to me is the sheer stupidity of the woman. Did she really think that saying "no" to a ticket, she can just skate along her merry way, and the cop will just let her slide and forget all about it?

Black skin, white skin, non-compliance is the absolute, Number One reason these stupid assholes go to the ground.

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Originally posted by BlackAgnes:
It seems to me that requiring a person to sign a ticket is just asking for trouble. Many states don't do this and I never understood why some states do.
Had that requirement not existed, the officer could have given her the ticket and been on his way.
If she didn't appear in court, a bench warrant could be issued at that time.
The situation was escalated beyond what it should have been.
The bottom line as I see it was that an old lady was taken to the ground, tased, and arrested incident to a broken taillight.
Lotsa blame to go around here.

In my state, all traffic offenses are misdemeanors. There is zero question that the law requires that the person promise to appear in court (by signing the citation) in lieu of physical arrest. It may be "asking for trouble", but the person is already in some kind of trouble and having to sign the ticket is just part of it. I don't see the legislature here deciding to end decades and decades of established law, precedent, and practice, so that we don't risk offending somebody by having them sign.

And for what it's worth, in 16 years of policing, much of which was pretty strongly focused on traffic, I can only recall arresting two people who refused to sign a citation and both wanted to sign it as soon as the door to the car was closed.

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Originally posted by DaBigBR:

I can only recall arresting two people who refused to sign a citation and both wanted to sign it as soon as the door to the car was closed.

Just curious -- did you allow the offenders to change their minds and sign, or was it "You had your chance, you rejected it and chose jail instead?"

She should have called the Police..

The subject line had me believing this was a cop who used excessive force. After seeing the video I thought this is a woman who went through life as a bitch from hell and finally met someone who’s not going to put up with her shit. Well done, officer.

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Originally posted by joel9507:

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Originally posted by TMats:
Don’t believe I ever heard that refusing to sign a ticket was an arrestable offense. Hmm

Now, I've never lived in Wyoming and maybe they do things differently there, but in the seven states I have lived in, you get two choices: sign a receipt for the ticket, which includes your agreement to appear later, or opt not to and you get a free ride downtown.

I don’t know how they do things in Wyoming, I’ve never been pulled over here, let alone received a ticket. One moving violation and one warning my entire life.

That's just childish. She's lucky the officer didn't feel threatened.

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Originally posted by TMats:
Now, I've never lived in Wyoming and maybe they do things differently there, but in the seven states I have lived in, you get two choices: sign a receipt for the ticket, which includes your agreement to appear later, or opt not to and you get a free ride downtown.

I don’t know how they do things in Wyoming, I’ve never been pulled over here, let alone received a ticket. One moving violation and one warning my entire life.[/QUOTE]

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https://law.justia.com/codes/w...r5/section31-5-1204/

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Originally posted by Sig2340:
She had some esplainin' to do after her husband bailed her out.

"$80 plus the tow?"

"That's over $300!"

"You knew the license plate bulb was burned out???"

"The bulb is $4.77!!!"

"And you got arrested? What was the charge?"

"About 50,00 volts and a few milliamperes."

Way back during the Watergate bruhaha the BS media talking heads kept going on about how this was supposedly a “nation of laws, not of men.”

If there is a law on the books about a particular issue, it’s because it was put there by the people’s elected representatives; i.e., it’s ultimately the people who put it there, or at least by enough of them to have initiated the process.

If we’re going to say that this woman shouldn’t have been arrested for violating one or more laws in effect and ultimately approved by the people because she’s special, where is the line drawn? Not arresting the mayor’s son or the judge’s daughter or wife? How did we like it back when those were common reasons here and are still common reasons in many parts of the world? What about when a black man would have been more likely to be arrested than a white woman?

“They know where she lives.” So? How would that change anything other than requiring her to be arrested later, and possibly in front of children? What if she just said, “No, you’re not arresting me” when the warrant team showed up? How would that be any different than now? What if someone was there who would help her resist arrest? Or she gets stopped again for another offense plus the original warrant, but just says, “No, you’re not arresting me”? What happens when her friends and relatives learn that “Just say ‘No’” is sufficient to avoid a ticket—now and forevermore?

It’s easy to look at a specific incident and come up with all sorts of reasons why it should have been done differently. What’s not so easy is to come up with reasons for not doing the right thing that wouldn’t have far-reaching consequences in the future.

And BTW, using a TASER on someone who might collapse and fall to his death is recognized as being highly inappropriate by anyone with two brain cells to rub together—especially after it’s happened once and all future training includes that lesson. There is absolutely no similarity between that one and this. The time may come when using a TASER on someone is viewed with as much horror as using a lead sap to the head, but we’re not there yet. It’s not only the elderly who are susceptible to heart attacks, and extensive research and experience has not found any evidence that TASERs are likely to cause them. Any LEO today is perfectly justified in believing that using the device in a situation like this is reasonable use of force and less likely to result in injury to anyone.

DaBIGdr

So, in Iowa, if someone pleads guilty to a traffic infraction, he has a CRIMINAL record??

Yikes.

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Originally posted by Riley:
Simple solution, fix your car if you know it’s broken. I get sick of people driving around with non working lights etc, especially at night. Check your equipment once in a while.

The next most simple thing is to sign the ticket and pay the lazy/stupid tax and then fix your car.

Next best solution, sign the ticket and fight it in court if you feel it’s that important.

Non of which involves getting tazed and arrested. You will not win or prove your point during a traffic stop. If it turns out the officer acted wrongly, then I support seeking dismissal or compensation.

Yeah... but there are a lot of people who have no clue.
"Did you know your tail light was out?"
"No, officer, I did not."

Clearly, he did not believe her.
If he did, he might have given her a warning and told her to get it fixed. He may have pulled the same woman over previously. Who knows?

But, once she acted the way she did... she had it coming. He used reasonable force once she resisted arrest and tried to flee.

Stupid woman.

I’m thinking she might be an old 60’s left over, she knew she had a problem with the truck but chose to do nothing. She had to have attitude, argue, tell the cop what HE was going to do, then tried to drive away. All and all stupid all the way around, she decided to ride the lighting on her own. She will probably not make that mistake again.

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Originally posted by BlackAgnes:
It seems to me that requiring a person to sign a ticket is just asking for trouble. Many states don't do this and I never understood why some states do.

An interesting topic of debate, but nothing the officer could control.

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The situation was escalated beyond what it should have been.

SHE escalated the situation. Not the officer.
What, someone simply declares they are *not* under arrest, and they are free to go? Try that next time you get pulled over and let us know how it works out for you. . .

Or they flee after being placed under arrest, and the officer was just supposed so say "Oh, well, she doesn't want to be detained" and let her go?

And then after becoming physically violent, what else could the officer do? Taser was the best tool for the job to gain compliance.

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The bottom line as I see it was that an old lady was taken to the ground, tased, and arrested incident to a broken taillight.
Lotsa blame to go around here.

A) I don't care how old she was. She got what she deserved.
B) No 'blame to go around' - this was all on her. She CHOSE this outcome.
C) She was tased incidental to evading arrest, fleeing from an LEO, and assault. The tail light was simply the preamble.


IF the officer was to blame (which I don't believe), then what course(s) of action should he have taken?

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Originally posted by PD:
The subject line had me believing this was a cop who used excessive force. After seeing the video I thought this is a woman who went through life as a bitch from hell and finally met someone who’s not going to put up with her shit. Well done, officer.

I agree. She's probably ran her mouth her whole life.

BWAHAHAHA!!! LMFAO!!!

Lady: "I told you you weren't going to arrest me".

This stated, as Lady is face down, eating pea-gravel in handcuffs. LMAO!!!!

I for one can’t believe even one person here thinks the cop was over the top with this woman. No special treatment once physical force is involved. You assault me, tasing is the best possible outcome and the reality is it’s the least injurious. Frankly, she’s lucky he didn’t react instinctively and pop her in the mouth. Incapacitation by taser is far more preferable to taking teeth in a Dixie cup to the oral surgeon.

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Yeah... but there are a lot of people who have no clue.
"Did you know your tail light was out?"
"No, officer, I did not."

Clearly, he did not believe her.
If he did, he might have given her a warning and told her to get it fixed. He may have pulled the same woman over previously. Who knows?

in the beginning around 14 to 18 seconds he said to her "you've been driving around like that for 6 months" or something like that...

My bet is he previously pulled her over and warned her or she got a written warning to fix the problem and she's just not going to do it.

That's why she got the buzz.... along with being uncooperative, fleeing arrest, assault, etc....