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Originally posted by xd45man:

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Originally posted by chellim1:

If Trump sours his supporters it helps no one.

It would take a nuclear blast level screw up for Trump's supporters to become sour. DeSantis can run in the primary if he wants, but he won't even win Florida. Look at video from a Trump rally. Look at the thousands of fans at UFC cheer his name. He will be the nominee and in a fair election, he will be the 47th President of The United States of America.

No one has a monolithic block of support that cannot be shaken. Jesus didn’t, neither does Trump.

In my personal circle of die-hard, patriotic, Americans who bleed red, I have the following anecdotes:

1. Kansas male - cannot stand Trump anymore. Was super supportive up until Trump’s leaders did “absolutely nothing” (his words), and wishes Trump would have just shut up and ran the country without getting into pissing matches.

2. Pennsylvania female - will vote for Trump, but prefers DeSantis. Anyone but someone liberal, but has shared “Trump will lose”.

3. Texas male - disillusioned with politics, “all hat, no cattle” when referring to 45.

4. Florida young male - his first vote ever was for Trump, was super excited. After following politics intently the last 6 years, he told me Trump’s “fight” to overturn the election was a joke, and symptomatic of how he governed. Likely won’t vote in the next election if Trump runs.

Of the above, 1 and 2 were diehard Trump fans until something changed, not lukewarm or fencesitters. MAGA rallies, etc.

Could Fox News have decided not to promote an influential book that might empower a Trump presidential run?

The waters are very treacherous for any conservative author, even one so justly famous and well-regarded as David Horowitz. It is shame that polarization is causing conservatives to ignore others’ conservative books.

Media (including Fox News) boycotting mention of David Horowitz’s bestselling new book
By Thomas Lifson

https://www.americanthinker.co...elling_new_book.html

^^ We can hope for FOX to do the right thing (even if only by mistake), but they can't be counted on or beaten into being something that can be counted on by market pressure. Murdoch's kids are running the show, and we've seen how capable they are of assessing American politics and the American market both on Election Night 2020 and in their schizophrenic behavior to the present.

+1 for far preferring DeSantis to Trump. If Trump gets the nomination again, and the Dems run anyone remotely competent/centerist, it will be McCain v. Obama all over.

GOP members will hold their nose and vote for him, but he won't motivate much. I think everyone's tired of the BS and temper-tantrums from DC.

People were saying the same kinds of things in 2016- there's no way he can beat Hillary.

Now, gentlemen, I started this thread to discuss the matter, but I am telling you that I am not going to listen to a year and a half of people predicting a bad outcome to the election.

All indications are that Donald Trump will be the nominee and I am not going to listen to months and months of defeatist talk.

I don't understand where people are getting the "Trump can't win" information from. Do these people personally know Trump or his staff and have heard rumblings in the campaign? Are they privy to special information that I don't have access to? .

Like Para says, Trump is the Republican front runner right now, like it or not. Anybody comparing him to McCain is out of their minds.
As far as party candidates attacking each other before the primary elections, this has been going on since the beginning of American politics. If you're looking for Kumbaya in the primaries, you're dreaming.

You know during Trump's first run ~ Jeb was the anointed one that was gonna beat Hillary.
It was Jeb's turn and Hillary's turn.
Look at how that turned out.
So DeSantis is supposed to believe everything Trump is doing and as even as I hate to say it ~ (even) Linsey Graham was right > Why not Trump instead of Trump-lite?

The leading indicator of a Trump loss is that he already lost to Mr Potato Head. (Obviously, we don't fully know the extent of the fraud in 2020 and we probably never will.)

One thing that we seem to have evidence of is that a lot of otherwise conservative people, suburban women in particular, did not and will not vote for him. That concerns me.

Would they vote for Ron DeSantis? I think probably so. Taking Georgia as a microcosm, they most definitely did vote for Brian Kemp for governor (but abstained from voting for Herschel, for instance.)

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Originally posted by YellowJacket:
(Obviously, we don't fully know the extent of the fraud in 2020 and we probably never will.)

And yet you point out that Trump lost to Biden as an indication that he just can't win against Biden. If it's cheating that gets the Dems in again, what does it matter who the GOP puts forth? And you fail to factor in the horrible job Biden has done and the damage he has caused all around in his presidency. People say all sorts of things publicly, but when they go into the voting booth, they sometimes vote in surprising ways, and sometimes they just plain old vote with their wallet, and in that respect, Biden is a genuine loser.

I'll say it again- I'm not going to listen to a year and a half of pearl-clutching.

To all of you saying this kind of stuff, it's best if you just come out and say that you don't like Donald Trump, because it's obvious anyway.

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Originally posted by YellowJacket:

One thing that we seem to have evidence of is that a lot of otherwise conservative people, suburban women in particular, did not and will not vote for him. That concerns me.

What evidence? What studies have you seen?

Do you realize Trump garnered more votes in 2020 than any presidential candidate in U.S. history? That he increased his votes by nearly 12 million the 2nd time around compared to 2016? I find it baffling that people still actually believe Trump lost votes. And that the same people actually believed Biden earned 81 million votes. Truly Baffling.

Hell, Biden may step on his dick so badly in the next few months, he'll become an open embarrassment to the DNC. He's not going to be able to hide in his basement, and when he starts losing his train of thought during speeches or debates, no one will be able to ignore it or excuse it.

There are so many things that can happen in the next few months and I do not want to see members running a white flag up the pole before we even get close to the election.

I think the Trump can never win narrative is still being pushed by the so called "Never Trumpers" who are still hiding in our midst. The same type of people who populated the Board at Veritas.

But I'm still wondering one thing about DeSantis - Why doesn't the left seem afraid of him? The left is deathly afraid of Trump... And I'm not trying to imply anything about DeSantis himself, I just really do wonder why...
Is it because they can't even begin to focus on DeSantis with Trump in the picture?

Left in my neighborhood are much more afraid of DeSantis. DeSantis has been successful with Florida and has a broader appeal to independents. It will be interesting to watch the primaries unfold.

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Originally posted by Dzozer:
I think the Trump can never win narrative is still being pushed by the so called "Never Trumpers" who are still hiding in our midst. The same type of people who populated the Board at Veritas.

But I'm still wondering one thing about DeSantis - Why doesn't the left seem afraid of him? The left is deathly afraid of Trump... And I'm not trying to imply anything about DeSantis himself, I just really do wonder why...
Is it because they can't even begin to focus on DeSantis with Trump in the picture?

The Democrats aren't stupid, sneak, corrupt and cheating but not stupid, the puppeteers on the left know Bragg ensured Trump a nomination. They're going to work on those independents who are afraid of political prosecutions, that may go with Trump and hammer all Orange Man Bad from now til election day.

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Originally posted by Dzozer:
I think the Trump can never win narrative is still being pushed by the so called "Never Trumpers" who are still hiding in our midst. The same type of people who populated the Board at Veritas.

But I'm still wondering one thing about DeSantis - Why doesn't the left seem afraid of him? The left is deathly afraid of Trump... And I'm not trying to imply anything about DeSantis himself, I just really do wonder why...
Is it because they can't even begin to focus on DeSantis with Trump in the picture?

Here is a re-print of a post I made last November-

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Originally posted by oddball:
What's interesting (and amusing) about this whole Trump/DeSantis business, the recent ill-feelings and emotions about Trump, is that long before the midterm election, long before Trump's recent comments, the leftist mainstream media has been pushing along the same exact narrative that is being embraced by some ex-MAGA folks now; that DeSantis is smarter, nicer, more disciplined than Trump, that Trump is entirely unelectable., etc. And these same media entities have been painting DeSantis with a much kinder brush than Trump ever got since 2016.

CNN:


THE WASHINGTON POST:


POLITICO:


MSNBC:


And from a few days ago:



The Swamp, including Paul Ryan, The Bushes, Meghan McCain, The Lincoln Project, etc.- have been pushing the same narrative for months also, pushing the idea of DeSantis replacing Trump.

The media and the Swamp for years could not beat Trump and sway his voters, so they came up with another strategy- to divide and splinter MAGA with another similar guy, maybe Trump-Lite. One who may be more pliable down the road. Divide and Conquer MAGA.

It is funny; the media and the Swamp must be in heaven right now, because their strategy seems to be working now. Some ex-MAGA voters, the media, and the Swamp, all finally in lock-step heading to 2024.

I have concerns and prefer DeSantis for the nomination but I definitely wouldn’t say that Trump can’t win. The biggest source of my concerns is from my own experience getting signatures for my own campaign. When I pursued the Republican nomination, I was given a list of registered Republicans in my county. I would say that somewhere between 10-20% of the time, Trump came up when I was interacting with a voter. About 2 out of 3 times, people loved Trump, but about 1 out of 3 times they despised Trump. These are registered Republicans, not unenrolled independents. Additionally, out of the people that I talked to in order to ask for signatures that declined to sign, the most common reason was that they were turned off from the Republican Party because of Trump.

To reiterate what I said previously, I believe that Trump can win. My concern is that it will take so much effort for him to win that it could leave us with razor thin margins in the House and Senate. There is no doubt in my mind that Trump has turned off a not insignificant number of voters in the suburbs. I knocked on over 1,000 doors of enrolled Republicans, and the single biggest reason why someone refused to support me, or for that matter my opponent, was because they were turned off of the Republican Party by Trump. It’s not a huge sample size but it definitely is a source of concern for me.

I’ll be voting for the 2nd Amendment in 2024, so I will without a doubt be voting for whomever the Republican Presidential candidate is. However, there is a very real concern that Trump could sway enough voters to result in a dem win. Additionally, nobody brings out the Democrats better than Donald Trump. He might bring out Republicans but he brings out the Democrats even better than Obama did in 2008. That is ultimately the reason why my preference is for DeSantis, and why I will personally be hoping that DeSantis is the nominee and that Trump supports him.

The minute Trump is out and DeSantis is in is when the dem smear machine turns up the heat - DeSantis will wilt.

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Originally posted by Lt CHEG:
He might bring out Republicans but he brings out the Democrats even better than Obama did in 2008.

How did you come up with this conclusion?

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Originally posted by doublesharp:
The minute Trump is out and DeSantis is in is when the dem smear machine turns up the heat - DeSantis will wilt.

I don't think you have to worry about that.

And DeSantis still has not announced, which means he may not.

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Originally posted by oddball:

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Originally posted by Lt CHEG:
He might bring out Republicans but he brings out the Democrats even better than Obama did in 2008.

How did you come up with this conclusion?

I won't speak for the Lt, but from what I've seen from the naysayers previously, it's always, you know, "the 81 million legit votes that Biden got".