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Caribou gorn |
I see it exactly as you've stated. And I am going to see about getting my mechanical safe combo changed as it is still the factory combo. From wikipedia so I cannot verify the accuracy, but wiki states that Liberty makes safes under the following brands: Liberty Safe National Security Centurion Freedom Security Cabela's Remington John Deere I'm gonna vote for the funniest frog with the loudest croak on the highest log. | |||
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Oriental Redneck |
"Liberty" Safe. How ironic. Q | |||
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Member |
Another question might be how did the FBI know he had a safe, that it was a liberty safe, and was not a mechanical lock? Or the contents were even his? Hedley Lamarr: Wait, wait, wait. I'm unarmed. Bart: Alright, we'll settle this like men, with our fists. Hedley Lamarr: Sorry, I just remembered . . . I am armed. | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine  |
I assume they found the safe when they searched his house pursuant to the warrant. Then they asked Liberty to help them open it, which Liberty was not required to do, based on what we know, as there was no order from a court that could have requird Liberty to do that. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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Optimistic Cynic |
Can't you just attest that the safe contains/protects your current sexual identity and/or sexual preferences, and that opening the safe would imply access to this critical personal information? I can envision the "special" agent recoiling from said safe as if it were on fire! | |||
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Mensch |
I have a Zanotti safe. They specifically told me they don't keep the safe combo when I bought it. Fuck Liberty Safes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Yidn, shreibt un fershreibt" "The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind." -Bomber Harris | |||
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| Rumors of my death are greatly exaggerated  |
So do all safes..Fort Knox, and others with electronic locks all have a secret back way in? It's sad Liberty caved for no good legal reason. That Bud's for you.... "Someday I hope to be half the man my bird-dog thinks I am." looking forward to 4 years of TRUMP! | |||
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Get Off My Lawn |
Liberty is getting its just rewards on their corporate Facebook page, getting destroyed. https://www.facebook.com/LibertySafe/ "I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965 | |||
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safe & sound |
Yes, and if the lock was installed at the factory then they typically would have that on record. I have already been getting phone calls in regard to this today. If you like electronic locks and want to avoid a safe manufacturer from having a code on file, you'll either need to replace your lock (most likely) or reset your lock (some models allow this). If you have a mechanical lock you can have the combination changed. If you registered your safe with the manufacturer "for warranty purposes", they possess your name, address, and combination that will open your safe. If they would have a data breach, or an employee up to no good, bad guys nationwide would have access to this information. | |||
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| bigger government = smaller citizen  |
This. It’s not a matter of “if” these days. “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it.”—H.L. Mencken | |||
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| Member |
If you have an electronic lock then there's obviously a master code regardless of the safe manufacturer . | |||
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Sigforum K9 handler |
With only a few exceptions, yes they absolutely can. No search warrant required in many applications of the loose scenario you gave. You have to start splitting hairs to require a search warrant to go in and arrest someone on a warrant. There is an awful lot of case law that affirms it. I get state laws vary, but the scenario you describe is missing a few details to not be a valid under state law. And in a few cases, a search warrant would be required. This broad idea is a misconception like chasing someone across the county line and they act like they have sovereign immunity because they saw it on Sheriff Lobo. Or the screaming that post arrest they are going to get the case kicked because you didn’t read them Miranda. Despite not having asked them any questions. Details matter. Can you search areas on an Arrest warrant only that a person could not reasonably hide? Absolutely not | |||
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| Member |
What relevance was the contents of the safe to the Jan 6 incident ? | |||
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delicately calloused |
Talk about betraying your customer base..... The FBI is demonstrably corrupt and politically biased. That makes them a tyrannical organization with near omnipotence. I would never cooperate with them unless compelled by a court. The fact that Liberty is willing to do that turns me from buying one of their safes. I am buying a new safe within 60 days. I was going to buy a Liberty but now.......not. You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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| More persistent than capable |
How many safes does Liberty sell to the government? That might effect their reasoning. Lick the lollipop of mediocrity once and you suck forever. | |||
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Member |
Mechanically locked safes only moving forward, good tip Liberty safes deserves to die ________,_____________________________ Guns don't kill people - Alec Baldwin kills people. He's never been a straight shooter. | |||
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| Member |
Liberty Safes opted for the Benchmade option. Its one thing to cooperate with law enforcement, it's another to be overly accommodating and complicit. Never go full Benchmade. | |||
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Irksome Whirling Dervish |
Details matter, as you said. If the person you are looking for is not a resident of the property you are at and has no ties to the property other than your belief they are there, does your arrest warrant allow you to enter and search the property of someone who is not associated with the suspect, other than based on your belief they may be there? I am making a distinction between what an arrest warrant allows v. the need for a search warrant. Exigent circumstances are different, such as in the case of a suspect who is wanted running during a pursuit into someone's house. If you're looking for person who has a warrant and you think he's in my house based on an articulated belief, do I have the right to refuse your entry to my house without a search warrant? Or does the arrest warrant trump the search warrant? | |||
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Sound and Fury |
I'm glad I replaced my lock with the help of a friendly safe man. "I've spoken of the shining city all my political life, but I don't know if I ever quite communicated what I saw when I said it. But in my mind it was a tall proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, wind-swept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace, a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity, and if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here." -- Ronald Reagan, Farewell Address, Jan. 11, 1989 Si vis pacem para bellum There are none so blind as those who refuse to see. Feeding Trolls Since 1995 | |||
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| Sigforum K9 handler |
You made a blanket statement that a warrant or consent was required. That simply is not true. From reading your reply, I think the point you were making is a reasonable one. | |||
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