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Originally posted by selogic:
If you have an electronic lock then there's obviously a master code regardless of the safe manufacturer .

There is for my electronic lock with which I replaced the failing mechanical lock on my safe a couple years ago. First thing I did, after programming my personal unlock code and testing it thoroughly, was reset the master code.

Or do you believe electronic locks have One Code To Rule Them All? If so: Think about it: All it would take would be that OCTRTA getting out and instantly every lock of that make and model would be utterly worthless. Followed shortly by that company never being able to sell anybody an electronic lock ever again.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by selogic:
If you have an electronic lock then there's obviously a master code regardless of the safe manufacturer .

There is for my electronic lock with which I replaced the failing mechanical lock on my safe a couple years ago. First thing I did, after programming my personal unlock code and testing it thoroughly, was reset the master code.

Or do you believe electronic locks have One Code To Rule Them All? If so: Think about it: All it would take would be that OCTRTA getting out and instantly every lock of that make and model would be utterly worthless. Followed shortly by that company never being able to sell anybody an electronic lock ever again.

I'm saying that each manufacturer probably has their own master code .

For mechanical locks, there's this gadget (and I'm certain a1abdj can tell us about it) which can be attached to the dial, and it spins the dial and works through all possible combinations,

But, most likely, they'll just take a Sawzall, angle grinder and welding torch to it, which would be far faster than the gizmo.

What does Liberty get out of this transaction?

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Originally posted by parabellum:

But, most likely, they'll just take a Sawzall, angle grinder and welding torch to it, which would be far faster than the gizmo.

I was thinking that too, but their asking Liberty for the combo might mean whatever they're looking for could be damaged or destroyed by getting in the hard way. And that piques my curiosity as to what they're looking for.

a1abdj...

How would I go about finding a local, reputable, locksmith or safe technician? I am in the Columbus, Ohio area and need to change the combination on my Liberty Presidential safe (mechanical S&G lock).

Is there some kind of industry directory or look-up service on an industry website?

I only get into the safe about 1 time per month and I have had it for about 18 years. Should it be PM'd or just outright replaced (the lock)?

Any info would be appreciated.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
What does Liberty get out of this transaction?

"Each one hopes that if he feeds the crocodile enough, the crocodile will eat him last. All of them hope that the storm will pass before their turn comes to be devoured. But I fear greatly that the storm will not pass. It will rage and it will roar ever more loudly, ever more widely." - Winston Churchill, January 12,1940

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Originally posted by selogic:
I'm saying that each manufacturer probably has their own master code.

And I'm saying that if the mere existence of such a thing ever saw the light of day, much less that code escaping into the wild, that manufacturer could kiss their e-lock business goodbye.

That each e-lock is shipped with a unique master code, that these are recorded by the manufacturer, and may be recorded by safe-makers that incorporate such locks, and that some models don't allow that code to be changed: Sure. But a single master code for all of a manufacturers products? That would be minded-bogglingly irresponsible.

It's possible that they do this in lots. That is to say- locks manufactured from, say, January to June of 2018 have one particular master code. Locks manufactured from July to December of 2018 have a different master code, and so forth. When the safe company is contacted, they ascertain the manufacture date of the lock and then provide the code to the interested party or parties.

The bottom line is that a mechanical lock with a combination you yourself have set is the way to go. But, as we've said, ultimately, your safe is a steel box, and it can be physically forced open, and if you don't have it bolted down, it can be removed and opened elsewhere. *cough*Apple Air Tag*cough*

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
What does Liberty get out of this transaction?

A whole bunch of bad press.

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Originally posted by oddball:
Liberty is getting its just rewards on their corporate Facebook page, getting destroyed.

Yes they are and justifiably so. Seems like the term being used is they Bub Lighted themselves. Unbelievable they would even put themselves in the position of having a back door code. Suffice to say there are going to be some busy locksmiths across the country.

I like that Churchill quote.

Nathan Hughes tweet, stating that the FBI called Liberty while raiding his home to get access to his safe.


https://twitter.com/rallynate/...twcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

Liberty's updated statement, clearly feeling the heat, doing damage control. The last paragraph is of particular note. I guess they don't want to be Zumboed.

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Effective immediately, existing customers can visit (yaddayadda) and fill out the form to have records of their access codes expunged.

Oh, now their going to offer this up, huh?

They've got some real deep thinkers at "Liberty".

Where I grew up, we call this 'Closing the barn door after the horse has bolted.'

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Originally posted by oddball:
Liberty's updated statement, clearly feeling the heat, doing damage control.

It's too late now, they are clearly screwed and getting hammered even more. Who is even going to trust these buffoons.

Oh agent, it sounds like you want the list of our expunged customer codes, ok wink wink here you go. Remember wink wink you didn't get them from us wink wink.

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Originally posted by oddball:
I guess they don't want to be Zumboed.

That ship has sailed.

I think Liberty screwed this big time. And I'm not defending them. But there is no escaping the simple facts. IF the FBI had a warrant to look inside the safe they are going to do it, with or without Liberty helping. Those that say you won't give them the combo if they were subject to a warrant that allowed access are in for a BIG surprise as they get into it anyway. Same when they tear all the walls apart in your house. There are no legal theories that protect you on that so wtf you want some kind of forced breakin or just let them in. Second if you have a Liberty safe with an S&G lock (all the ones I have seen and also the ones I own personally) there is NO backdoor. They can tell you the originally set combination (AND WHAT IDIOT doesn't get that they have that and change it). S&G electronic locks can have a supervisor capability but its an option only on the higher end locks and I've never seen a low end safe (Liberty is low end) with it. And in addition you can tell if it exists when you program the lock. So the whole story of a back door is pure BS without Owner complete and total stupidity.
But that doesn't change the facts you are better off just giving them access, never mind calling the mfg.

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Originally posted by hrcjon:
IF the FBI had a warrant to look inside the safe they are going to do it, with or without Liberty helping.

You have missed the point entirely. It's not that the feds will get into the safe one way or another; everyone knows they will get in and everyone knows that revealing the code/combination means the feds will not destroy your safe by cutting it open.

It is the fact that the safe company rolled over on its back like a little bitch, when they were not legally obligated to do so and when they had no right to do so.

A shame. They make made some really, really good safes.

It's going to take a long, LONG time, if ever, for the gun world to forget this egregious misstep.