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| Go ahead punk, make my day |
Correct. But Ron can easily prove this all wrong, or maybe he's too busy with Styers patent lawsuit negotiations to notice? Or waiting on the overdue Romeo shipment from China? Or waiting on the next shipment of ammo from SIG's premier ammunition facility. He's a busy man - but to be fair SIG did put it in the users manual.  "Heavy or Repeated Drops" caveat, and all. https://www.sigsauer.com/wp-co...9-01REV01_proof2.pdf | |||
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Do you really think a drop-fire results in a sound, a subsequent flash, and even later a trigger movement? | |||
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| Go ahead punk, make my day |
Lots of P320s out there just waiting to be drop tested... Or maybe another case of the "severe manipulation" caveat? https://sigforum.com/eve/forums...0601935/m/4700021824 | |||
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He MIM'd the jar. That is the issue, isn't it? | |||
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| Go ahead punk, make my day |
Maybe, as part of SIGs new "UBERSUPERDOUBLESECRET" mission, the P320 is designed to replicate the HiPoint, you know for those secret missions where you need to drop your gun for it to fire? I know its against OPSEC, but that requirement is real as heck. Similar to the 556R requirement for SOF to use 762x39 from a superior platform.  | |||
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| Sigforum K9 handler |
You left out the part where you can only use MOBIL 1 for lube and you have to buy it by the gallon. Cause buying repackaged crisco is so for losers. | |||
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I first tried it last Wednesday night. I dropped the X5 several times, not on camera, and it did not fire. Thursday morning the P320 TACO PLS 9mm and the black 45 were dropped, both fired as soon as they fell at that angle, which was within a very short time of commencing the test that morning. Friday afternoon the FDE 45 was tested and it fired as well. | |||
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Honestly at this point all I want to know is if J Jones and Bruce Gray have attempted the drop test, what results have found, and what they think will happen. For me, these are the two voices I will trust. | |||
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Thanks man. I have not, but Bruce has done quite a bit of drop testing on various projects. The 320 wasn't really my thing. When I compete with a striker fired gun, it is usually an 2.0. More often than not, I shoot DA/SA guns and that has always been my realm. Will this internet drama cause me to not pick up a 320 should I want to shoot one? Nope. It is the same gun that it was yesterday before the hubbub. Like I said earlier, hysteria does an amazing job at spreading on the 'net. I'm sure Bruce will pop back up in this thread at some point. | |||
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Lawsuit filed in CT, after SRT officer shot with his dropped 320: http://www.ctlawtribune.com/to...615402746&curindex=1 Here is the lawsuit, if you don't want to sign up: https://drive.google.com/file/...N3l1SHkwQ243TWs/view | |||
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There is value in testing that can be replicated by other parties, which is why published testing protocols are valuable. The people at Omaha Outdoors seem to have done a good job of describing their testing process. Any other tests done with similar rigor would also be valuable. However, people randomly tossing guns around to see if they would fire would not be particularly valuable. | |||
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Thank you for posting this. I appreciate your time with this. Looking forward to hearing from Bruce. | |||
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Well here is another log to throw on the fire. I would think the Stanford PD did an investigation to rule out an ND, but who knows... CT cop files lawsuit against Sig when dropped 320 fires into his knee Greg Land, The Connecticut Law Tribune August 7, 2017 A Stamford police officer has sued gunmaker Sig Sauer over injuries he suffered when his holstered P320 pistol discharged and hit him in the leg after he dropped it in a parking lot. According to the complaint filed Aug. 4 in the U.S. District Court for the District of Connecticut, officer Vincent Sheperis dropped his holstered department-issued handgun while loading equipment into the back of his car in January. The gun fired when it hit the pavement, and the bullet entered beneath his left knee and lodged to the side "with the round protruding from his leg." Sheperis, a 34-year-old member of the department's Special Response Team, underwent multiple surgeries and is back on light duty, although more surgeries may be required, according to his attorney, Jeffrey Bagnell of Westport. Sheperis is seeking at least $6 million in punitive and compensatory damages, and is demanding Sig Sauer recall the pistol or include a warning that the gun is not "drop safe" when a round is chambered. "For it to just go off—it's kind of horrifying, really," Bagnell said. The Stamford Police Department said it's shelved all P320s it issued to its officers because of the incident. The suit comes amid ongoing reports that the P320 is prone to accidental discharge when dropped. The Dallas Police Department in Texas suspended use of the P320 due to safety concerns, according to a spokeswoman there. "We have not currently had any issues with the Sig Sauer P320 handgun," according to a statement provided by public information officer Melinda Gutierrez. "The use of the Sig Sauer P320 handgun has been temporarily suspended due to safety precautions. The departmental Firearms Training Center staff is currently working with Sig Sauer to ensure the safety precautions are addressed." Sheperis' complaint includes a litany of incidents in which law enforcement officers' Sig Sauer handguns allegedly went off without the trigger being pulled when dropped or being handled. There was no immediate response to a message left for Sig Sauer's media representative or the attorney handling the matter for the gunmaker, Robert Joyce of Littleton Joyce Ughetta Park & Kelly in Purchase, New York. In an Aug. 4 statement, Sig Sauer said it has "full confidence in the reliability, durability and safety of its striker-fired handgun platform. There have been 0 reported drop-related P320 incidents in the U.S. commercial market, with hundreds of thousands of guns delivered to date." "All Sig Sauer pistols incorporate effective mechanical safeties to ensure they only fire when the trigger is pressed," the statement said. "However, like any mechanical device, exposure to acute conditions (e.g. shock, vibration, heavy or repeated drops) may have a negative effect on these safety mechanisms and cause them to not work as designed." Sheperis' complaint includes counts for violation of the Connecticut Products Liability Act and Unfair Trade Practice Act, and for negligent infliction of emotional distress. The complaint notes Sig Sauer's marketing materials say its safety mechanism prevents the gun from discharging "unless the trigger is pulled." But the manual states the P320 "may fire without the trigger being pulled if the chamber is not empty. It is, however, standard operating procedure for all U.S. law enforcement agencies, local police departments, and the military to carry pistols with a chambered round," the complaint adds. Bagnell said there were pre-suit discussions regarding a settlement, "but they did not result in a resolution." _______________________________ Sig, Colt M-16/M-4/1911 and Glock Armorer. I love my P229, but if I had to go to a war, I would take my Glock... | |||
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Andrew, thanks for dropping in. In my mind, it helps validate the video as well. Very well made video btw. The 320 has been around for a while so why all of a sudden? When it rains it pours I suppose. | |||
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| Go ahead punk, make my day |
DAMN.... Another one of the secret GLOCKER Army intent on discrediting the ALLTHATISHOLYSIGP320-UBERPISTOLEN. SO dedicated in fact that he shot himself with said P320-pistolen, due to his undying love for the GLOCKEN-WEAPON17, second only to the UBER-RARE Glock7, Porcelain. Even trying to get some money out of it... that is one serious troller. | |||
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Who wrote this shit? How does a cop drop a holstered pistol? Maybe he dropped his pants, when he had to take a dump? Q | |||
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I guess that is one way to hit the lottery, but he may never be walking right again. Sig better get a handle on this real quick. | |||
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Your assumption seems somewhat presumptuous unless you have seem a description of the testing procedures used by SIG and/or Bruce Gray.
That would be a lot of testing. I believe some of the standard testing protocols involve dropping guns in 6 different attitudes. You only want testing at 36 different angles in each of how many different axes? | |||
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Yes, Andrew, we appreciate you. I think that even though the 320 has been around for three or so years (a relatively short time period for a firearm), this all of a sudden "coincidence" comes from speculation that the firearm wasn't totally drop safe with the supposed bogus video of the 320 firing when dropped on the rail and mag plate, have you seen that video? That got people all up in arms about the gun not being drop safe, even if it wasn't legitimate. That lead to people making a big hoopla at Dallas PD about the gun, even if only because of a CYA page in tbe manual. Which got more people testing before the Dallas PD thing blew over. And as it turns out, there may just be a problem after all. So, basically one video lead to a lot of testing, by everyone from gun magazines and dealers, to me trying it at home, and people got results that were consistent. -wolff "In the absence of light, darkness prevails." - Professor Bruttenholm | |||
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