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Originally posted by 12131:

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when his holstered P320 pistol discharged and hit him in the leg after he dropped it in a parking lot.

Who wrote this shit? How does a cop drop a holstered pistol? Maybe he dropped his pants, when he had to take a dump?

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Originally posted by gc70:

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Originally posted by RX-79G:
I don't think it should be "random" at all - it sounds like SIG and Bruce Gray have done that.

Your assumption seems somewhat presumptuous unless you have seem a description of the testing procedures used by SIG and/or Bruce Gray.

I have seen Bruce write that he tested it every which way from Sunday and he has bounced the 320 off anything imaginable. Or something like that. Maybe that was a paraphrase. Either way, he didn't get anything when tested it like that.

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Originally posted by RX-79G:
I think all the specific 10° increments that haven't been checked should be. Omaha found this drop fire angle randomly, and someone should go looking more deliberately at this point.

That would be a lot of testing. I believe some of the standard testing protocols involve dropping guns in 6 different attitudes. You only want testing at 36 different angles in each of how many different axes?
I don't know about 36, but why not test it at every angle possible to rule them all out?

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Originally posted by Sparkyk:
I watched the Omaha outdoors video and have some questions. First, using their test methods looks like a good way to get shot. For instance at about 1:50 you can see the guys hand above the gun as it goes off in their drop test and he doesn't flinch. Or at about 2:04 you can see the guy in shorts and sandals drop the 320 and it goes off. Again he doesn't flinch. If I had a gun go off that close to me I would be doing more than flinching. At about 1:40 they talk about using SD ammo, match ammo and range ammo. But note the lack of reaction by the 320. I would think that the gun would take off if fired and there was nothing to control the recoil. Also why doesn't he state that this doesn't happen with Glock, S&W M&P, SA XD or XDM?

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I say that because I don't think the P320 can survive another round of this sort of fuss. The Gen 4 has to be right.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:

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Originally posted by Sparkyk:
I watched the Omaha outdoors video and have some questions. First, using their test methods looks like a good way to get shot. For instance at about 1:50 you can see the guys hand above the gun as it goes off in their drop test and he doesn't flinch. Or at about 2:04 you can see the guy in shorts and sandals drop the 320 and it goes off. Again he doesn't flinch. If I had a gun go off that close to me I would be doing more than flinching. At about 1:40 they talk about using SD ammo, match ammo and range ammo. But note the lack of reaction by the 320. I would think that the gun would take off if fired and there was nothing to control the recoil. Also why doesn't he state that this doesn't happen with Glock, S&W M&P, SA XD or XDM?

Ah, they are using brass with primers...

Not actual BOOLETS.



Hence the minimal recoil by the weapon and minimal reaction by the testers.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
^^^^^
I'll second your statement with no additional comments, but you can imagine what they might be...

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Originally posted by wolffy88:

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Originally posted by gc70:

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Originally posted by RX-79G:
I think all the specific 10° increments that haven't been checked should be. Omaha found this drop fire angle randomly, and someone should go looking more deliberately at this point.

That would be a lot of testing. I believe some of the standard testing protocols involve dropping guns in 6 different attitudes. You only want testing at 36 different angles in each of how many different axes?

I don't know about 36, but why not test it at every angle possible to rule them all out?

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Originally posted by Andrew Tuohy:

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Originally posted by Steve 22X:
After reading that linked article I saw absolutely no more NEW information than I had already received viewing the Omaha video on YouTube.
However, after my initial post I then read the comment section of that article and quoted what I read.
Noting that if one attempts to "approximate" portions of testing at an increased height rather than actually testing at that height, it certainly implies that they had to simulate the force of a drop from a higher level.
Coupled with what I observed in the video just past the 2:01 point where it appears the gun is thrown down rather than dropped, I came to my conclusion.
That is what I am talking about.

At no time did I throw the pistol. Here is a more complete video of that particular drop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XW9PpGwZKE

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Originally posted by gc70:

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Originally posted by wolffy88:

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Originally posted by gc70:

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Originally posted by RX-79G:
I think all the specific 10° increments that haven't been checked should be. Omaha found this drop fire angle randomly, and someone should go looking more deliberately at this point.

That would be a lot of testing. I believe some of the standard testing protocols involve dropping guns in 6 different attitudes. You only want testing at 36 different angles in each of how many different axes?

I don't know about 36, but why not test it at every angle possible to rule them all out?

ANSI/SAAMI and California test guns at 6 different attitudes (or 'angles').
What would testing at "every angle possible" entail?
How about testing at one-degree increments for each of the three major axes of rotation? That would be 1,080 drops.
Even RX-79G's suggestion of ten-degree increments would involve 108 drops.
And we have not even begun to discuss how to control a drop to achieve such a precise attitude on impact.

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Originally posted by RC Fan:
As a couple of posters on the other forum have pointed out, we need to find out if this is happening on the first drop of a new, or previously not dropped(undamaged),unmodified pistol. I personally would suspect a pistol that had been dropped on concrete multiple times may have sustained some sort of damage.

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Originally posted by lordhamster:

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Originally posted by RC Fan:
As a couple of posters on the other forum have pointed out, we need to find out if this is happening on the first drop of a new, or previously not dropped(undamaged),unmodified pistol. I personally would suspect a pistol that had been dropped on concrete multiple times may have sustained some sort of damage.

TTAG just posted their video of testing with a brand new pistol out of the box and had the same results.