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https://racer.com/2025/03/23/l...fications-confirmed/
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^^^ Holy Cow! That’s going to sting. Unfortunately it sounds like Ferrari’s engineering is just not up to the task (as usual). ------------------ Eddie Our Founding Fathers were men who understood that the right thing is not necessarily the written thing. -kkina | |||
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An interesting race to see the different strategies and how they worked out. The Leclerc wing was another aspect. It was the perfect and extremely rare scenario, damaged in just the right way to possibly give an advantage and not break off the car. The camera shows exactly what the rules are trying to prevent by limiting the flexibility. The wing flattened out at higher speeds to reduce drag but the tip was close to the pavement to seal off the end to allow more downforce. I would have thought the officials could have said that it was a potential danger to Charles and other competitors, not to mention the competitive advantage and insisted that it be replaced. Then Ferrari didn’t swap the positions back on the last lap. Didn’t matter in the end with the disqualifications of the cars for completely different reasons. Also interested to see if Red Bull swaps Yuki and Lawson, especially with the next race being in Japan. Can anyone but Max drive that car effectively? ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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Those disqualifications are mind blowing. I can't see Red Bull moving up Tsunoda after all the history, but if things stay as they are they may have no recourse. Would be interesting if he gets the seat then struggles as so many others have. Have been hearing more and more about the Red Bull car development and set up being geared only to support Max's style and preferences, which could explain more of the performance disparities. _________________________ NRA Endowment Member _________________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -- C.S. Lewis | |||
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There was nothing interesting about this race. With the amount of IndyCar fans upset at The Thermal Race today, I'm starting to wonder if the reason I thought it was a good race was because I watched China right before it. Any real strategy was over by Lap 5 as all the point payers were done and over with.
There wasn't much of a chance of the wing tearing itself apart, so they might as well have kept it on. Any aero loss probably helped out his front left tire wear. Then again, they probably could have done better like during the Sprint if they got their setup right. Instead, LeClerc was 1kg light and Lewis ground too much out of his rear plank. Along with Alpine having bendy wings, loading Gasly's car too light for a DQ, and the Ferrari's getting a Double DQ, Carlos Sainz earns his first point with Williams, and Lance Stroll is beating LeClerc and Hamilton in the points.
I don't think they'll switch at Japan because Suzuka is the first track that Liam Lawson has experience with this year. If they do make the change, I'm thinking Round 5 at Saudi Arabia will be it because Suzuka and Bahrain are back-to-back races with a week or two break until Jedda. I'm also thinking that Red Bull's biggest mistake in car development is they're relying TOO much on CFD and wind tunnel to tell them how to make a fast car when in real life the car has to stay lab perfect in order to get that speed out of it. It's resulted into an extremely twitchy car. If they worked more on drivability than maximum attack, Lawson and Perez would look far better and Max would barely lose any points at all. | |||
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Life doesn't get any better for Jack Doohan. He has no championship points, but has 4 penalty points after 2 races and a sprint. What's the over/under for Franco Colapinto getting back in F1 before Red Bull replaces Liam Lawson? https://www.motorsport.com/f1/...s-in-china/10706623/
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Lawson is out and Yuki is in at the Senior Red Bull Team. Basically they are swapping seats. Let’s hope Yuki can get a handle on that bull in front of his home country. ------------------ Eddie Our Founding Fathers were men who understood that the right thing is not necessarily the written thing. -kkina | |||
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^ Is that official? Don't see anything from F1 yet. Hopefully, if Yuki doesn't perform well, they'll get him back in the RB which he can do well in. Also, hope Yuki can keep his temper/outbursts down a bit. I think that was one of the things holding him from promoting to the big boy seat at RBR. Edit: It's official now. Tsunoda / Lawson swap official for Suzuka https://www.formula1.com/en/la...qawI5Q4YYPhhMJpHqUiO This message has been edited. Last edited by: P250UA5, The Enemy's gate is down. | |||
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Yeah, I didn't expect that THIS soon. Makes me wonder if Yuki will have the same problem as Lawson did in this seat, but Red Bull seems to be locked on stupid with no sign of changing. | |||
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Didn't ever realize Prime has a F1 channel 24/7. They played Montreal and Hamilton's first win followed by China 2025 replay back to back yesterday. Surprised by Tsunoda's move. Guess the race being in Japan was part of the motivation. _________________________ NRA Endowment Member _________________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -- C.S. Lewis | |||
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At least they'll have a quick answer if Yuki's all he claims to be and if the cars' really that bad to setup. Maybe Max needs a #2 that has better engineering skills to help with feedback. He seems to be having an increasingly difficult time there too, so it's not just that an unstable car is quicker and only he can drive it. ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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Makes you wonder if pushing all development to suit the #1 really puts the hurt on #2. If they backed off just enough to make the car more drivable for both, Max maybe loses a tenth or 2, but both cars are more competitive. I don't think there has been a competitive 1/2 at RBR since it was Max/Daniel. Downhill since then. Hope Yuki can hack it, and if not, that they put him back in the RB he's comfortable in & not let him flounder til they cut him loose. Just have to hope he [Yuki] can keep his cool while he settles in. The Enemy's gate is down. | |||
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Yes. But I don't think it would hurt Max either. He would slightly change his style, maybe, like he probably did when Ricciardo was his teammate. And even then, the car/team was the dominant car. Since Daniel left they haven't had a #2 with a strong enough personality and speed to balance things out. ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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I agree 100% with the recent posts. While things didn't work out well for Daniel all that has transpired since does underscore the point that he was feeling/making. I don't understand, with all their resources, why both cars have to be set up so precisely the same. I would think that in the programming, wing selection etc there could be enough adjustment to be more accommodating of 2 drivers. If Yuki does no better then it will make it abundantly clear that the team's approach has been to blame for torpedoing Daniel's career and everyone's since in the #2. _________________________ NRA Endowment Member _________________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -- C.S. Lewis | |||
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While not a direct parallel, this all reminds me a bit of the movie Moneyball. It feels like many of the top teams have become properly focused on the money, aka the Constructors championship. All the chatter about McLaren, Ferrari and Mercedes drivers taking Drivers points off each other to the possible advantage of Max just further illustrates the old-school and flawed approach. They do have to balance the inter-team dynamics which is a challenge when you have two drivers like LN/OP for example. However the upside of being able to eclipse teams that are still mired in the 75-year model of a senior #1 driver and a junior #2 will yield much more money to the teams and afford the drivers ultimately more opportunity to be and stay at the pointy end. Or I may be crazy..... You only have integrity once. - imprezaguy02 | |||
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Are you sure you're talking about Ricciardo and not Sergio Perez? Danny Ric killed his own career trying to be the Money Badger at Renault and not being able to work with the ground effect cars. This does put Sergio Perez in a better light, but I doubt even if the Red Bull was more drivable that he'd be the #2 required now that more teams have caught up to Red Bull. | |||
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In the case of McLaren, you have 2 very high-level drivers that race fairly against each other. A 1/2 is a 1/2 for the team, no matter which car takes the win. Taking 1 in the points & 1 mired in the back [RBR] just hurts the team as a whole. I'm a Bottas fan, and while he wasn't a true WDC competitor to Lewis, he did put up solid results that resulted in multiple WCC championships 2016-2021 with the team, with VB finishing 3,5,2,2,3 respectively over those years with LH taking the WDC [except 2021]. The Enemy's gate is down. | |||
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While of course true that he chased the money DR has been clear that primary frustration/motivation was that it was clear that the garage was not going to give his side of it what he needed. You raise a good point that, regardless of where he was, this current car design/dynamics may not have suited him, regardless of where he was. _________________________ NRA Endowment Member _________________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -- C.S. Lewis | |||
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I have been watching some talking heads describe the RB 21 as a car with virtually no understeer, just like Max likes it and the junior team car is more neutrally balanced. Having raced Porsches for several years I’m trying to understand why they can’t just adjust the second car to have a more neutral balance to suit another driver. Simple adjustments like tire pressures, shock setting and alignment can drastically alter the behavior of a car, all without any appreciable costs. Maybe the second drivers just weren’t able to provide the technical feedback to the engineers which would allow them to make the proper adjustments but I find that hard to believe. If Yuki can keep his head down and not start whining he should do well. You have to think he realizes that this is his one shot at a top team and if he doesn’t perform and get up to speed quickly well….. ------------------ Eddie Our Founding Fathers were men who understood that the right thing is not necessarily the written thing. -kkina | |||
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I saw one channel take a comment of: Could this end Yuki's career, if he doesn't perform at RBR? Fair point. You don't really say 'no' to a shot at the top team, but if you aren't cutting it, will they 'demote' you back to your seat or just cut you loose? The Enemy's gate is down. | |||
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