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Originally posted by rusbro:

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Originally posted by Oat_Action_Man:
Do we think that Cersei's trap is to have the fields where we see the Unsullied and the Dothraki mustered trapped with wildfire, a la Braveheart or the Last Samurai?

Her and Quyburn have certainly had great success with Wildfire, as did Tyrion, and I've been thinking Cersei would likely use it again. Euron's fleet is equipped with possibly hundreds of trebuchets, and probably King's Landing, too...

ETA: Dany and her dragons, however, are immune to fire... Maybe a lot of damage will be done to both sides, leaving far less (fewer) to fight the undead. That being said, traditionally the seasons don't end with a big battle.

But hey we've got 2 hours to fill this time! anything is possible!

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:
Sansa very well may have some grand scheme going.

May? Definitely does. It seems Sansa is waking up to the desire to sit on the Iron Throne her own self.

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Originally posted by Ronin1069:
This going to be quite the bummer if when it's all said & done, the Night King winds up on the Throne.

That would be awesome.

I also think a great twist would be for Littlefinger to end up controlling the throne, but not be on it. He is the cleverest of all of them, in many ways.

^^^ Yes, he seems to be the true mastermind, always navigating and scheming, year after year, decade after decade, to gain control of the Iron Throne. A lot of people have predicted he'd be dead by the end of this season, but I'd not bet on it.

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Originally posted by jhe888:

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Originally posted by Ronin1069:
This going to be quite the bummer if when it's all said & done, the Night King winds up on the Throne.

That would be awesome.

I also think a great twist would be for Littlefinger to end up controlling the throne, but not be on it. He is the cleverest of all of them, in many ways.

Sansa (aka Arya) is likely to put a Needle into his heart.

How would that be for a stroke of writing; a girl masked as another girl who did needle work her whole life putting a sword she calls "Needle" into the heart of the man who is in love with the girl who did needle work as a child?

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Originally posted by Lord Vaalic:
Why did Sansa send Brienne away?

IMO it's more Littlefinger machinations. He knows he'll never play Sansa while Brienne's there keeping an eye on him.

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Originally posted by Oat_Action_Man:
Do we think that Cersei's trap is to have the fields where we see the Unsullied and the Dothraki mustered trapped with wildfire, a la Braveheart or the Last Samurai?

I think Tyrion's too smart to fall for that.

Maybe Arya has already killed Littlefinger and when Sansa was talking to Littlefinger, she was actually talking to Arya.

Watch the scene again with this in mind and LF's questions definitely seem like they could be testing questions coming from Arya...

I'm hoping Arya's smart enough to know she can't just up and kill allies, even treacherous ones, without justification sufficient to satisfy Jon, and the remaining allies.

We also should never lose sight of the fact that there are actual supernatural forces at work, at least nudging the pieces on the board. I don't know if the Lord of Light, the Many-Faced God, The Old Gods, The Seven, The Drowned God, The Great Stallion, etc. are all real and independent forces in GoT, but at least some clearly are real, or are names that apply to at least one real power. There's also a god/force behind the Army of the Dead, perhaps also influencing things south of the wall.

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Originally posted by rusbro:
I'm hoping Arya's smart enough to know she can't just up and kill allies, even treacherous ones, without justification sufficient to satisfy Jon, and the remaining allies.

Right. If Arya just kills Littlefinger, it's possible that it could cost Jon some or all of the support of the troops from the Vale.

Remember that Littlefinger is Lord Protector of the Vale, and he has the underage Lord Robin Arynn (future ruler of the Vale) fully under his sway. The Knights of the Vale went North to assist the Starks at Littlefinger's behest. And it's Littlefinger's support of Jon and Sansa that has caused them to remain there.

The fact that the Stark children are the nieces and nephew of their beloved dead Queen Lysa, and cousins to their current sickly and underage Lord Robin, may not be enough to keep them supportive and loyal if something were to happen to Littlefinger and another noble took over as Lord Protector of the Vale.

(The books go into greater detail about the disagreements and infighting among the nobles of the Vale after about who should in control of the Vale after Lysa's death, and how much they should be involved in the outside conflict.)

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

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Originally posted by rusbro:
I'm hoping Arya's smart enough to know she can't just up and kill allies, even treacherous ones, without justification sufficient to satisfy Jon, and the remaining allies.

Right. If Arya just kills Littlefinger, it's possible that it could cost Jon some or all of the support of the troops from the Vale.

Remember that Littlefinger is Lord Protector of the Vale. They went there to assist The North at his behest. And it's his support of Jon and the Starks that caused them to remain there.

The fact that they swore fealty to Jon as the King in the North, and that the Stark children are the nieces and nephew of their beloved dead Queen Arryn, may not be enough to keep them entirely loyal in the long run. The Vale was historically an independent kingdom, and often at war with The North, and there are a number of the lords that would love to see themselves on the throne in the Eyrie as an independent ruler again.

(The books go into greater detail about the infighting among the nobles of the Vale about who should be Lord of the Vale. A number of them do not support Littlefinger.)

Not to argue semantics but Little Finger is not Lord of the Vale, Sweet Robin is. Sweet Robin is just under Little FIngers manipulation. If you recall in season 6 I think, little finger threatened lord royce through sweet robin. If Lil finger happened to die I'm not sure Lord Royce would shed a tear.

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Originally posted by Deqlyn:
Not to argue semantics but Little Finger is not Lord of the Vale, Sweet Robin is.

Notice I said Lord Protector, which is Littlefinger's title. He's the Regent in charge of the Vale, until Robin is capable of ruling. (Much like Cersei controlled the Iron Throne as Queen Regent when her underage sons were King.)

Robin may be Lord of the Vale in name, but he has to be 16 years old to have complete power. Besides, as you said (and as I said in my earlier edit), Robin is a stupid, sickly young boy who's fully under Littlefinger's sway.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:
until Robin is capable of ruling.

Hey, Robin isn't up Joffrey's standards yet, but he's working on it!

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Originally posted by rusbro:

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:
until Robin is capable of ruling.

Hey, Robin isn't up Joffrey's standards yet, but he's working on it!

BWAHAHAHA

AH fair point rogue. I must have read it wrong. I thought it was weird that you, superfan, of all people were making a wrong statement. It was me imagining it!

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Originally posted by Ronin1069:
This going to be quite the bummer if when it's all said & done, the Night King winds up on the Throne.

With White Queen Cersei by his side?

I'm still trying to piece together how that would fit in with all the prophecies, but I wouldn't put it past her to have herself turned.

And I wonder if the Mountain has any connections with the undead army.

A relationship between a Walker and a human wouldn't be totally unprecedented...

In the books, there's an old legend of a human Night's Watch commander who fell in love with a female White Walker. They declared themselves King and Queeen, and ruled together from the Nightfort for many years, until defeated by an alliance between the men of the North and the Wildlings.

His name in the books? The "Night's King".

The leader of the White Walkers in the show? The "Night King".

So I rewatched it last night. When they tackle the one Wight they want to bring back to Kings Landing, didn't it bite The Hound? Maybe I'm getting my zombies mixed up but doesn't that guarantee he'll become a walker/wight now?

No.

If this were "Night of the Living Dead" or any number of other zombie movies, it would mean that he's now infected and will die, and eventually be reanimated by the virus as a zombie.

But the Wights aren't Romero-style viral zombies. They're corpses reanimated by the magic of the White Walkers.

Ok, thanks for the clarification. When Jon Snow said to burn Thoros body, I didn't know if it was fear of The Night King resurrecting him or if he would turn like a current Romero-style zombie. Same fear I had with The Hound. Thanks.

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Originally posted by LS1 GTO:
Sansa (aka Arya) is likely to put a Needle into his heart.

How would that be for a stroke of writing; a girl masked as another girl who did needle work her whole life putting a sword she calls "Needle" into the heart of the man who is in love with the girl who did needle work as a child?

The only way for Arya to wear Sansa's face would be for Arya to kill Sansa. I don't see that happening.