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Originally posted by iron chef:
I realize it must be hard for many of you to believe, but the Trojan War took place some time between 1200-1300BC, and the average Greek soldier resembled Elliot Page's build a lot more than the Spartans depicted in 300.

If so, than the rest of the cast should be equal in stature, instead Page is the glaring outlier. The average Bronze Age male was around 5'5'- 5'8', Page sits well below that average. Stature wise, regardless of being a farmer, craftsman, merchant, sailor, etc...you worked with your hands/arms all the time, muscle definition was much more common than today. Page not only lacks height but any muscle definition whatsoever.
I believe Page's role is as a pathetic character, similar to Ephialtes of Trachis who betrayed the Spartans at Thermopylae, who in the course of the retelling has been portrayed as a physically & mentally wretched individual; the most extreme was being a monstrous hunchback in the Frank Miller 300 book/movie.

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Let me explain in a way an 8 y/o would be able to understand.

Murphy was 112 lbs when he enlisted. WWII was 80+ years ago. People on average were significantly smaller then. The Trojan War was 3,200+ years ago. People were substantially smaller than. It's not a stretch for someone 5'1", 106 lbs to play a Greek solder from that era.

Ok, let me explain this in a way that a 3-5 year old could understand:
Daddy is a Man, which is XY genes.
Mommy is a Female with is XX genes. Mommy can have a baby which Daddy can't, but Daddy gets to help in the process.
See, I can be condescending too.

Now you have been comparing a LA coffee house flop female who is surgically/chemically cosplaying as a male with an actual male who grew up in hard scrabble Texas during the Depression and became a War Hero. See the difference (again, I am being a condescending prick ).

So, Page is historically accurate in height and potential size to a Greek Warrior at that time, except she is an actual biological female (pesky DNA versus feeling like a man). Great, Nolan is going for historically accurate.....but he isn't by the casting (blacks but no Greeks), armor, weapons, ships, etc. Oh, and a trans "Man" as a Greek Warrior (but think of all the memes!), but damn if that didn't check a Blackrock DEI box. The cast is straight out an LA hipster coffee house and bar.

They took one of the foundational pieces of Western Literature and made it a DEI caricature.

Next up, the Chinese classic "Journey To The West" but casted with Hispanic and Black transgenders as the Monkey King and company to update it for modern audiences. In fact, make it a Rap song musical! Crap, I may have just given Hollywerid an "idea".

It is utterly ridiculous, crazy to even discuss height, weight, build, stature, etc, when it is all perfectly moot. Why? Because of the elephant in the room- Ellen Page is a woman, a mentally ill woman pretending to be a man. Who had a deranged doctor cut off her tits in a useless crazy attempt to resemble a man. And some idiot cast her to play a male Greek warrior in a big budget period piece, with the same idiot casting a black African American woman to play the daughter of a Greek God, the most beautiful woman in Greek mythology, in a period piece.

This is wretched Hollywood D.E.I. virtue signaling bullshit, this film has sunk pathetically low as Disney ever did.

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Originally posted by downeastnc1:
I can't possibly understand how there is any debate about whether to watch this or not.

Same with me.

Nolan has used Page before. The Page was in Inception. Nolan often uses the same collaborators.

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls025424824/

So it’s not the first film for him using the Page. None of us agree with these controversial casting decisions. All I’ve stated is the Academy changed their rules, and Hollyweird followed suit for funding. Then you have to accept the fact that business has pivoted to Gen Z. They aren’t chasing the boomer generation, Gen X, or even Millennials anymore. They are chasing that Gen Z $. And this generation is all about inclusion, and diversity. They have been brainwashed on it since birth. Why do you think Zendaya was cast? She is in the biggest 3 films of this year. The latest Spidey-boy film with her man. Nolan’s film. And Dune 2 later this year. Why? Gen Z worships her. Probably why Nolan jammed her into this. I don’t think she is a bad actress but she is no Streep either so it’s tired.

I highly doubt these controversial casting decisions will even have much screen time honestly. To me seems like a checkbox that needed to be checked for funding, to get nominated, or both. And to appease that previously mentioned generation. Damn shame but doesn’t mean the film will suck. I think Nolan used this bs to his advantage. Wish it wasn’t so but this is the world today. It’s a fictional story and I’ll watch it at the end of the year.

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Originally posted by FenderBender:
I won't be watching this under any circumstance.

Well, I guess I'll eat my own words.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/...re&utm_campaign=copy

FILM REVIEW

‘The Odyssey’: Tales of Brave Ulysses—Stark and Majestic

The eye-opening concept from Nolan’s ‘The Odyssey’ is the idea that Odysseus was responsible for Greek civilization’s downfall. That’s a new angle.

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Originally posted by 6guns:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/...re&utm_campaign=copy

FILM REVIEW

‘The Odyssey’: Tales of Brave Ulysses—Stark and Majestic

The eye-opening concept from Nolan’s ‘The Odyssey’ is the idea that Odysseus was responsible for Greek civilization’s downfall. That’s a new angle.

Solid review and what I thought and expected once more reviews came out. Some excerpts from this review:

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And to be fair (and realistically), Nyong’o is a fashion-model-level, polished-ebony specimen of shocking symmetry. I was prepared to be outraged at the DEI of it all, but soon acknowledged, “Okay, that actually works.” It’s really a non-issue. And I’ll take a melanistic Helen over melanistic hobbits any day.

What I seriously foresaw as a problem, though, was the buzz about petite, fragile trans-man Elliot Page playing Greek war-legend and demi-God Achilles. He was definitively portrayed by a freakish, muscularly-jacked Brad Pitt in 2004’s “Troy.” She doesn’t. She plays Sinon, Odysseus’s cousin, who sells the idea to the Trojans to haul the giant wooden horse full of warriors into their city. Also not particularly a problem.

And:

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“The Odyssey” is yet another cinematic masterpiece from acclaimed filmmaker Nolan. It’s sweeping in scale, with his trademark touches of visceral cinematography, a pulsating score, and a well-told and well-enacted story. It’s close to three hours of riveting viewing.

The old saying goes…don’t trust a book by its cover. And it’s Christopher Fucking Nolan.

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What I seriously foresaw as a problem, though, was the buzz about petite, fragile trans-man Elliot Page playing Greek war-legend and demi-God Achilles. He was definitively portrayed by a freakish, muscularly-jacked Brad Pitt in 2004’s “Troy.” She doesn’t. She plays Sinon, Odysseus’s cousin, who sells the idea to the Trojans to haul the giant wooden horse full of warriors into their city. Also not particularly a problem.

Except Nolan replaced the Ghost of Achilles scene from the original with Sinon and there are several scenes with Sinon, according to some "it is not good" reviews I have seen. The Agenda behind the casting with a major change in the story. Now, add in the rapper as "Homie The Narrator" (per reports, he does the opening narrative and the rap song at the credits). Subversive casting again.

Let me post something.......better:

You guys have fun fooling yourselves. Are we so starved for entertainment, that we forgive his obvious obedience to the faggoty DEI AMPAS rules? Is it lost on some of you how very disgusting this is? To call any film that meets these quotas "art" and to consider it worthy of praise and your patronage, is, in a word, laughable.

Wake up. Stop trying to convince yourselves that "Everything is going to be OK," because this crap is in a different galaxy than OK.

Do you know what you'll get from this SELLOUT next time if he's given a pass this time? Take a guess.

Years will pass and eventually, this crap from AMPAS will become recognized for the shameful absolute SHIT that it is, and then cinema history will condemn these sick leftist assholes.

Now, on with the reviews that have changed your minds. gents. By all means

Nothing in this review seems worthwhile about this film.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
You guys have fun fooling yourselves. Are we so starved for entertainment, that we forgive his obvious obedience to the faggoty DEI AMPAS rules? Is it lost on some of you how very disgusting this is? To call any film that meets these quotas "art" and to consider it worthy of praise and your patronage, is, in a word, laughable.

Wake up. Stop trying to convince yourselves that "Everything is going to be OK," because this crap is in a different galaxy than OK.

Do you know what you'll get from this SELLOUT next time if he's given a pass this time? Take a guess.

Years will pass and eventually, this crap from AMPAS will become recognized for the shameful absolute SHIT that it is, and then cinema history will condemn these sick leftist assholes.

Now, on with the reviews that have changed your minds. gents. By all means

I will give Jonathan Pageau, who I know for a fact to be anti-DEI, and as pro western civilization as anyone walking around today the benefit of the doubt. Especially when it comes to his major area of expertise, literature from antiquity. It's a 3 hour matinee I'll report back on my own findings.

I expect to see people who have watched this movie this weekend to give their honest reviews and whether they were right or wrong about it. Be honest. I vaguely remember seeing the Armand Assante mini series when it was on TV and that's my only experience with the Odyssey.

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Originally posted by FenderBender:
It's a 3 hour matinee I'll report back on my own findings.

You're not hearing me. You quoted my post. Did you read it? It doesn't matter what the movie is like. Nolan's groveling obedience to DEI rules which state that a film can't even be considered by AMPAS unless it meets a queer standard, makes him a sellout, and I wouldn't watch this film even if you sent a limousine to my house to take me to a private screening, free of charge.

The entire affair is one gigantic obscenity. Watch it all you like, but don't quote me if you're going to ignore my point. An appeal to authority argument is the basis of all professional movie reviews, and it's a tool used by the studios to let people hear what they want to hear.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
...obvious obedience to the faggoty DEI AMPAS rules

Succinct and truth

But didn't you get the memo Para? He is supposed to get a pass because he's Christopher Nolan. Yes, slam Disney or any other DEI film maker, but God forbid we slam Christopher Nolan.

Daily Mail UK is calling it probably Nolen's best ever. They know it isn't worth a shit. Goes completely along with what Para said about giving him a pass this time.

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by FenderBender:
It's a 3 hour matinee I'll report back on my own findings.

You're not hearing me. You quoted my post. Did you read it? It doesn't matter what the movie is like. Nolan's groveling obedience to DEI rules which state that a film can't even be considered by AMPAS unless it meets a queer standard, makes him a sellout, and I wouldn't watch this film even if you sent a limousine to my house to take me to a private screening, free of charge.

The entire affair is one gigantic obscenity. Watch it all you like, but don't quote me if you're going to ignore my point. An appeal to authority argument is the basis of all professional movie reviews, and it's a tool used by the studios to let people hear what they want to hear.

I agree with you on both points, if you watch the video I posted you'll find first and foremost, he's not a movie reviewer, and second he makes the case that Nolan is subverting the DEI nonsense and is using it against Hollywood.

With all due respect. A movie is a movie is a movie. I'm not watching a movie just to interpret what the director was TRYING to say. I go to be entertained. As does the majority of moviegoers. If watching a modern movie requires a media literacy degree/interpretation to "understand what the director was doing" then I believe it's a bad movie. Older films could be GOOD movies first, then interpreted to hell because Hollywood allowed directors to make films that didn't alienate >50% of the audience before the movie came out, but had significant subtext. That is no longer the case. What use to be relegated to background/side plots MUST be front/center. The vast majority of people watching for entertainment will see a director pandering to DEI nonsense at best, and participating in Western culture erasure at worst.

I'd have more respect for Nolan if he acknowledged the DEI requirements and openly said he's taking it on ass a challenge vs autistic/artistic direction and some holier then thou shit. Something I loved in that review is Odysseus said Ellen Page's character is the greatest warrior/solider know yet it's never shown and she/it dies in the beginning. Not that it mattered because the movie time jumps all over the place and doesn't help drive a desire for the main characters to return home with random time jumps.

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Originally posted by Vgex:
With all due respect. A movie is a movie is a movie. I'm not watching a movie just to interpret what the director was TRYING to say. I go to be entertained. As does the majority of moviegoers. If watching a modern movie requires a media literacy degree/interpretation to "understand what the director was doing" then I believe it's a bad movie. Older films could be GOOD movies first, then interpreted to hell because Hollywood allowed directors to make films that didn't alienate >50% of the audience before the movie came out, but had significant subtext. That is no longer the case. What use to be relegated to background/side plots MUST be front/center. The vast majority of people watching for entertainment will see a director pandering to DEI nonsense at best, and participating in Western culture erasure at worst.

Not everything needs to appeal to the lowest common denominator. Just because the people in Brownsville don't understand them Opera and Polo aren't automatically bad things.

DEI stuff aside, it really doesn't sound like a good movie.

https://time.com/article/2026/...w-christopher-nolan/