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This is a horrible idea. Administrators are one thing, but when you start talking about road cops you're talking about real life or death issues, not some theoretical or philosophical point. Making gear decisions that limit the ability of officers to defend themselves in order to make a political statement is absolutely disgusting, whether that political point is to support the right or the left. Thankfully I don't live in a state with idiotic gun laws, but if I did, and my chief came in one day and told us all to turn in our 17 round mags and exchange them for 10 rounders, I'd be really tempted to tell him where he could stick his 10 round mags, and you can bet I'd immediately begin shopping for other employment because he's made it clear that he cares more about politics than my personal safety. You might have some admin types and low-productivity guys who wouldn't care, but this would be the fastest was to alienate your switched-on line cops and lose the backbone of your agency. I don't agree with mag capacity restrictions at all, or any of NY's stupid laws, and I'll bet most of the cops at Lt.'s agency don't agree with them either. They didn't make the laws...they're just unfortunate enough to live in a state that is controlled by a couple of massive urban areas that are overrun with know-nothing liberals. Often off-duty I do carry low-capacity handguns, but I'm on my own time, can make my own decisions, and actively avoid trouble. At work, we don't get that option. We get sent to it, and have to deal with it. At my agency we're a one-man shift, so literally any violence that occurs in my town while I'm working, I'm getting dispatched to and am expected to solve. My likelihood of having to use my weapon in the line of duty is exponentially higher than when I'm a private citizen. We're asking these guys to go do that on a daily basis (in a county agency, no less, where backup is likely a long way out and you may be fighting on your own for a long time), and intentionally hamstringing their gear purely to make a political statement is an outrageous suggestion, IMO. | |||
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^^^Well said. Thanks. I left NY State in 1984. Have never looked back... ______________________ An expert is one who knows more and more about less and less until he knows absolutely everything about nothing. --Nicholas Murray Butler | |||
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Given the woke culture that seems to be spreading across the United States, maybe a Paintball gun would be more accepted as a sidearm for a Sheriff?  | |||
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^^^ Nah, wouldn't satisfy them. To paraphrase Ralphie: "You'll shoot your eye out, kid"  ______________________ An expert is one who knows more and more about less and less until he knows absolutely everything about nothing. --Nicholas Murray Butler | |||
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I don t often disagree with gou, 92fstech, but on this one ... ____________________ | |||
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I get it, and I know plenty will disagree here. I'm just envisioning how I'd react if my chief walked into the squad room one day and told us that we didn't get to use a certain tool anymore that was legal for us to use because somebody else wasn't allowed to have it and he wanted to show solidarity with them. I'm all for fighting to get stupid restrictions overturned, wherever they exist. IMO this won't do that, but it will have a negative impact on the cops that the OP has a duty to administer and support in their job. A more effective statement would be to simply refuse to have his agency enforce the unconstitutional state law for the entire county. | |||
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In this case, if I win I can kind of have my cake and eat it too. I would not feel guilty for having my deputies carry magazines with capacities over 10 rounds, because I will NOT enforce those restrictions on otherwise law abiding citizens. I can’t make the same promise of any other agencies in the county, but if I’m elected then on day one I will write an order to all personnel something to the effect of: “In light of the NYSRPA vs Bruen decisions, along with several other court cases, including one issued here in the Northern Judicial District of NY, you are hereby ordered not to charge any otherwise law abiding citizen with a violation of PL 265.xxxx, otherwise known as the SAFE Act and the CCIA. Since these laws are under judicial review, with a high probability of being overturned, we will be giving citizens of Rensselaer County the benefit of the doubt and NOT charging violations of these laws. This is a prudent choice, so as to minimize potential liability to Rensselaer County in the event that anyone charged with or convicted of these offenses later has these charges dismissed with prejudice due to judicial action that is already underway, and has already had some degree of success. Anyone who violates this order, and arrests someone for violation of these laws, where these are the only violations of NY State or Federal law will be considered guilty of gross insubordination and disciplined as such. Thank you.” “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” | |||
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And it sounds like Lt. CHEG is already way ahead of me on this one. That's why he's gonna be Sheriff and I'm not . | |||
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I was wondering if I'd see this. I was going to say the same thing but then, I remembered there haven't been any phone booths to firefight in for like 20 years. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself, without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, and intolerable...” ― H.L. Mencken -All views expressed are those of the author and do not reflect those of the author's employer- | |||
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Good luck tonight! Honestly, on a day to day basis, I’d carry exactly what the troops carry. As for a BBQ/courtroom gun, I’d lean toward a nice S&W 27 or similar. I just fell out of love with the 1911 some years back. But if you regularly shoot one, and shoot it well, that would be a fine choice. | |||
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I would start by carrying whatever the rank and file were using - lead by example. I would then solicit input from the rank and file regarding what they feel they need and what the pros and cons of the current platform were. If an overwhelming number of line troops voiced a preference for a specific gun, would suitably test it and if acceptable, issue it then carry the same thing | |||
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I guess all of the officers, deputies, and related folks threatening to quit over the matter might just be enough to get the elected officials to fix the laws for everybody, then. 100% of arms makers should refuse to sell LE anything the people in a given place can't have. ------------- $ | |||
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No question / No hesitation: Colt Python  | |||
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Unfortunately the thought exercise was all for not. I lost in the primary on Tuesday, so for me the race is over. Maybe I’ll try again in 4 years. But for now, it’s back to looking for a suitable position in law enforcement again. One thing this race has made me realize is how unhappy I am outside of that world at this point in my life. “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” | |||
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Sorry to hear that Lt. Hope you find something fulfilling to fill your time until the next go-around! | |||
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Tough row to hoe if you're new to politics. Sgt. Bourgault was already in the Rensselaer County Sheriff’s Office and endorsed by the outgoing Sheriff. Kudos for trying. Good luck to you. Thanks again for sharing. It was a fun thread. ______________________ An expert is one who knows more and more about less and less until he knows absolutely everything about nothing. --Nicholas Murray Butler | |||
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Truthfully, if he wasn’t so unqualified, I wouldn’t have run in the first place. He only has 3 years of actual law enforcement experience, and has never actually supervised anyone. 12 of his 15 years have been spent doing strictly clerical duties, not even doing civil work. The work he has done is done by a non sworn civilian at every other sheriff’s office in the area. And even though he’s a sergeant as of December, he still doesn’t supervise anyone. He’s being installed so that he can be a puppet. While the county government is generally pretty conservative, I think it’s very scary when too much power is concentrated in the hands of a few, regardless of what party those few belong to. So I will be supporting, and eventually formally endorsing, the Democratic candidate, whom is actually the only enrolled conservative. He is a good guy, and most importantly qualified for the job, unlike my opponent that one the Republican nomination. It would all be humorous if it wasn’t for the fact that I live in the county and am served by the Sheriff’s Office and the NYSP. “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” | |||
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