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The suggestion of all the revolvers makes me feel a little better about wanting to carry a Beretta 92 from time to time. In all honesty I would be inclined to approve any deputy that wanted to carry something from a quality manufacturer in 9mm, .40 or, .45 as long as they could qualify at a higher score than they could with the standard duty arm. If that’s the case I could legitimately see myself carrying several different firearms. This really is a fun thought exercise, and with the progress I’ve been making it might not be such a far fetched dream. “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” | |||
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Sounds like you wouldn’t do this, but if a Sheriff or chief mandated a certain duty gun for the troops, it’s a bad look to go out and strap on some $4600 barbecue gun in contrast to the mandated gun. | |||
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I love the 10mm. It would only be allowed for off duty purposes though. While the 10mm is an awesome round, it’s not nearly common enough for use as a primary duty caliber. Hopefully that will change some day but for now I don’t think I’m unreasonable for not plowing it as a primary duty caliber. “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” | |||
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Agreed! Anything I would carry would meet the guidelines for personally owned duty weapons for the deputies. The surest form of failure is to adopt a do as I say, not as I do strategy.This message has been edited. Last edited by: Lt CHEG, “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” | |||
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Not sure if the election has happened, hope it goes (or went) your way! As to your question, I'd probably do what my own agency does for its investigative side, but with a bit greater latitude. I would provide a basic, stock pistol like the P320 or a P226 in 9mm, .45 ACP or .357 Sig, but if they chose to carry 'In Addition To', then that'd be fine, within limits. I'd approve pistols from major manufacturers as long as it was DA/SA, DAK, SAO or striker fired (no SAA revolvers); Colt, S&W, Ruger, Sig Sauer, Beretta, Browning, Springfield, H&K, Walther, etc. There would also be a list of approved calibers; .38 Special, .357 Magnum, .41 Magnum, .44 Special, 9mm, .38 Super, .357 Sig, .40 S&W, .45 ACP and 10mm. Then there would be a real-world, intensive pistol qual for each type, Semi-Auto (SA) or Revolver. For SA carriers, SA carriers would only need to pass the SA Qual plus a Revolver familiarity course. If the SA user had a red dot, they would need to run two courses, electronic and iron sights, just to ensure they know how to transition if their gee whiz sight breaks down. For Revolver carriers, they'd need to pass both SA and Revolver. In this day and age, so few folks would have real world wheelgun experience, that user would need to prove they can manipulate a wheelgun under stress, including speedloader loading, manual loading, one handed reloading and malfunction clearing, such as brass under the ejector star. IMHO, there is a much higher threshold of competency needed to effectively use a revolver in today's high capacity world, but if the user can do it? Fine with me. On duty back up guns would also be limited to major manufacturers, but with a floor of .380 ACP for SA's and .38 Special for revolvers. I'm not knocking on a deputy's family door or folding a flag for a widow because his idea of a last ditch bail out was a .22 LR, .25 ACP or .32 ACP. Not gonna happen. And yeah, there'd be a qual course for back up guns, too. In fact, I'd probably run a primary gun/failure/transition to back up emergency string a few times, just to see if they can get to and deploy their back up effectively. The only prohibition I'd likely have (besides offbeat weird calibers, offbeat weird actions & offbeat weird gun makers) is to restrict users from the temptation of running what are clearly competition guns or guns bedecked with 'tacticool' styling ques. I don't want to go to court and try to explain why one of my deputies had to shoot (and possible kill) a perp while was using a P320 Spectre Comp, TTI JW4 Pit Viper or some other such nonsense; folks can shoot fine using (mostly) stock weapons, Law Enforcement is no place to make personal styling statements that make one look like a John Wick wannabe, especially if someone lost a life in a gunfight and now there's criminal and civil trials to deal with. Interestingly, there is a county just west of me that does much of the above, but that Sheriff has a 'No Single Stack' policy... you can carry whatever you like within certain boundaries, but it must be a double stack pistol. I found that kind of interesting. Shotgun would be Remington 870, mandatory for similarity of manual of arms. If the budget was generous? The AR would be the Daniel Defense DDM4 V7. Personally, as Sheriff, after I'd taken and passed all required qual courses, I'd carry a P226 in .357 Sig for my SA, but I'd also qual on revolver and occasionally carry my S&W 657 3" .41 Magnum. Love that beast..... ________________________________________ "Just A Wild Eyed Texan On a Manhunt For The World's Most Perfect Chili Dog...." | |||
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Glock 17 Gen 5, Surefire X300, Safariland holster. Edited to add: My wife’s SD has always had the policy that all sidearms are the same across the board. Originally they carried the Sig P228. A few years back they switched to the Glock 17 Gen 5. The PD she works for part time used to allow their officers to carry whatever they wanted as long as it was in 9, 40, or 45. The chief recently changed the policy and has now issued Glock 23 Gen 5 across the board. It makes sense in regards to deputies/officers on the street who “may” get in to some bad shit and need an extra magazine or even a firearm or a downed officer. This message has been edited. Last edited by: davidjinks, | |||
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This is the second poster that recommended Remington. I just wonder if the posters have seen the modern versions of that gun. Back when they were flerting with bankrupcy, they were pushing out absolute crap. Be sure you qualify your recommendation with some sort of quality restriction. Unhappy ammo seeker | |||
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In about 53 days, I want to show up on the front steps of the sheriffs office looking for a job with a Hi-point tucked into the front of my pants. Ehhh, maybe 56 or so, let him settle in for a second before he has to make any rash decisions.  ______________________________________________________________________ "When its time to shoot, shoot. Dont talk!" “What the government is good at is collecting taxes, taking away your freedoms and killing people. It’s not good at much else.” —Author Tom Clancy | |||
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From you lips to God’s ears my friend. Thanks! “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” | |||
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Think I decided what I’ll carry, at least to start if I win the election. It think I will carry my Wilson CQB as shown in this video interview taken by a local media outlet. https://spectrumlocalnews.com/...can-sheriff-primary# My head is about to explode, and I think I may have a stroke, but I think I’ve got a real chance to win this race. The primary is next Tuesday, and I actually cast my early vote this evening. Regardless of the outcome, I’ve gone from a huge long shot to making this a coin flip of a primary race. The NY State Republican committee is now sending mailings out to try to beat me. The fact that my opponent’s team has had to go that deep on the bench makes me think I’m doing something right. Frankly, considering that I’m fighting a country music singer that only has 3 years of actual law enforcement experience, and is completely unqualified for the position, I’m kind of sad that I have to work so hard. Either way, I’m damn proud of how hard I’ve worked, and how much of a race I’ve made this, despite being outspent literally 10 to 1, and only working with 20 or so dedicated volunteers instead of an entire county political apparatus. Since the SWAT guys are already allowed to carry 1911s, I won’t feel bad about carrying my CQB when I start out if I win. Thank you all so much for your support and encouragement! “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” | |||
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^^^ Good choice, next best thing to a full size. Best of Luck. | |||
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Here's to hoping for a good voter turnout, and your election to the office. Next thread; we may need to nominate a knife for you to carry as Sheriff. Just in case. | |||
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Best of luck next Tuesday Lt CHEG. Good choice, John M would be proud. Thanks for sharing your saga with us. ______________________ An expert is one who knows more and more about less and less until he knows absolutely everything about nothing. --Nicholas Murray Butler | |||
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First- I think you're going to kick some serious butt next week. About next Friday or so, if this homeless looking guy shows up on your office steps with a Chicago Police T-shirt and a Hi-Point tucked into his pants, don't shoo him away- just me looking for a job If the SWAT Officers have to pass a different test to carry the 1911... ? ______________________________________________________________________ "When its time to shoot, shoot. Dont talk!" “What the government is good at is collecting taxes, taking away your freedoms and killing people. It’s not good at much else.” —Author Tom Clancy | |||
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My running mate, whom I’ve picked to be my Undersheriff if elected, is an old school narco guy from way back. You would be welcomed for sure brother. I asked him to join me for 3 reasons. Firstly, he’s literally the first person I thought of as someone I’d want by my side running a law enforcement agency. Second, his leadership philosophy is the same as mine - lead from the front and lead by example. He is one of the few people I’ve worked with that is as revered and respected by the top brass, as he is by those that worked for him. Third, I’ve not done a ton of narco work. I’ve helped out on lots of cases, search warrants and other ops, but I haven’t done a huge amount of narco work as the case agent. My partner has done it all though, and I can’t think of anyone better able to help combat the opioid epidemic in our home county. So I’ll reiterate. If I’m elected, stop by and make yourself comfortable. A celebratory adult beverage is on me. And if you want to stay for a bit longer, you’ll be welcome with open arms… but you’ll be expected to carry something other than a HiPoint lol. “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” | |||
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Best of luck to you!! Regards From Sunny Tucson, SigFan NRA Life - IDPA - USCCA - GOA - JPFO - ACLDN - SAF - AZCDL - ASA "Faith isn't believing that God can; it's knowing that He will." (From a sign on a church in Nicholasville, Kentucky) | |||
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So many have mentioned the word "solidarity". It's a fine word. Carrying what the rank and file carry. But how about another form of solidarity; with the populace, the citizenry, your constituency? I would carry a pistol that they can carry. If I am in a magazine capacity compromised state, I carry a gun that has that same capacity as them. In fact so will the rest of the department. It knocks down an us v/ them wall. It shows "I stand with the gun rights of the citizens". I believe the magazine capacity restriction in New York is 10 rounds. I start there. I also look at what 10rd mags actually have a history of reliability (that would exclude Glocks, see NYPD's troubles with them). Often times a neutered magazine is done with standard capacity parts; spring, follower, etc. Maybe I am looking too far in the past, because I dont live in a magazine capacity restricted state and pre-2004 was a long time ago. Maybe things have changed on that front. 1911s arent what I'd consider for general issue, I believe there needs to be a level of hand fitment. If deputies have quality 1911s that are well made and assembled, that's one thing. I'm thinking SA TRP at the minimum. That leaves me looking at a pistol like an HK45 as a general issue. Given the large amount of grip fit it offers along with ambi controls and a thumb safety along with LEM possumbilities. Perhaps the HK45C for smaller statured deputies and plain clothes. I say this not as one of those ".45 is best" "two wurl wars" types. I am pretty much a devotee to 9mm, though will admit to carrying .38specials and .45acps from time-to-time ("you wanna know it's you, not the bat" to coin an old baseball phrase). I just cant think of magazines neutered to 10 rounds 9mm mags that are super reliable. __________________________ Violence has resolved more conflicts than anything else. The contrary opinion that violence doesn't solve anything is merely wishful thinking at its worst.-Jean Rasczak | |||
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