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Agree on dept issue and +1 on the P225 for Church and other special occasions | |||
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Nullus Anxietas |
Fair enough. Not certain that's much a distinction with a difference. Still: He did NOT ask "With what should I re-equip the entire force?", which was my main point. Of course you wouldn't. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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1975 was almost 50 years ago. | |||
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Ouch! Said as a man born in 1979. “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” | |||
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^^^ I was carrying a S/W model 67 on the job in 1979. Now that is even more old school and fossilized... :-) | |||
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Carrying an S&W Model 67 isn't old school. It's old school cool! I wish Smith & Wesson would make a Model 67 with a two inch barrel and Scandium Alloy Frame. | |||
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I like how you roll! In the mid-1970's when I first entered law enforcement, I carried an industrial hard chromed Colt Series 70 1911 in .45 ACP. Although I carried many other personally owned/department approved pistols until I retired in 2008, when I retired I was carrying a DLC treated Commander length barreled Nighthawk Custom GRPII in .45 ACP. It was and still is (IMHO) a good choice for an on-duty carry pistol, providing the carrier is proficient with it. 1977: 2008: 2022 minus the laser equipped grips and now toting a nice set of checkered blond cocobolo wood stocks by Esmeralda: "I'm not fluent in the language of violence, but I know enough to get around in places where it's spoken." | |||
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I would go with a nice 1911, and I'd be super tempted to carry a Colt peacemaker every once in a while. _______________________________________ Do you only play? Or can you shoot too? | |||
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You should carry what your Deputies carry, or a very similar pistol from the same series. If your guys carry G17s, you should carry a G19 or G26. If your guys carry a P226, maybe a P229 or P224 would be appropriate. | |||
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You have excellent taste my friend. I’ve actually thought about commissioning a pair of Wilson Commanders with light rails, one in Stainless and one in something like a DLC finish. I was thinking it would make a hell of a retirement present someday, but maybe it would be an excellent election present if I can pull off the election. I personally wouldn’t have a problem with my deputies carrying a 1911 as long as it met certain requirements, they were able to qualify at a higher than minimum level and subjected their equipment to at least quarterly inspections. I of course would gladly comply with the same rules. In reality, this isn’t a huge organization, approximately 200 sworn members including corrections officers. The relatively small size of the organization would probably help to justify a policy that allows for some flexibility. With a large agency strict adherence to the same firearm is much more reasonable, but I think a smaller agency can much more easily exercise some variability. “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” | |||
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Prepared for the Worst, Providing the Best |
Wow....the finish on that duty gun held up superbly well! My old P229, and even my first P320 that I only carried for a year are way rougher than that! While I agree with the sentiment that the OP should carry what his guys carry when he's out on the road, I really don't think the troops would begrudge their boss carrying something fancy and meaningful in an administrative capacity, especially if he's proficient with it. My chief is a gun guy and an excellent shot. Our quals often come down to a bit of a competition between him and me to see who can put up a tighter group, and I'm man enough to admit that occasionally he beats me. He's also done a bunch to improve our firearms program since he started....got us new handguns, then new rifles, and recently optic-equipped P320s. He carries the same P320 that the rest of us do when he works the road, but he also has another gun. He retired from another agency before he came to ours, and spent a number of years over there working the in the DARE program. While he was there his partner DARE officer, who was long-serving and much respected in our local community, died of cancer. Chief got his issued gun, a P230SL, and purchased it when he retired from that agency to come to ours. He's qualified on it and still carries it pretty regularly on days when he's stuck in the office. It's a classy piece with a lot of sentimental value for him, and all of us think it's cool as heck. | |||
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Peace through superior firepower |
A Glock G20 loaded with the hottest hollowpoints I could find- Buffalo Bore, Underwood, what have you. Three spare 15 round magazines. Also, I'd carry an M4-style carbine with two Maglinked 30 round Pmags loaded with Federal M193. I'd carry it everywhere. Mess with the bull... | |||
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You sir are not a man to be messed with! While I figured your first choice would be something in 9mm, I definitely am a fan of the 10mm as well. I could totally see you having a tag line under your “Sheriff Para” plaque saying something to the effect of “9mm kills the body, but 10mm kills the soul - mess around and find out!” “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” | |||
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Peace through superior firepower |
Also, I'd get me one of those Gerald Hege "Spider Cars" 'cause you can never be rednecky enough... | |||
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Donate Blood, Save a Life! |
Cool thread and best wishes to LtCheg with the election. I like the idea of using the same as the officers when on regular duty and having something special for special meetings and ceremonies. Lots of great suggestions in this but I’d lean toward one of the high end 92s. *** "Aut viam inveniam aut faciam (I will either find a way or make one)." -- Hannibal Barca | |||
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I would stick with whatever department issue the deputies had for handguns and make sure department had carbines for everyone and myself. | |||
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Another thing I’ve thought of is that I want everyone on patrol to have access to an AR15 and a shotgun. I still think there’s a place for the shotgun, outside of less lethal rounds, especially in the more rural areas for humanely dispatching animals. And as far as shotguns go, I love the 870, it is ubiquitous after all. However, I would want to switch to semi auto shotguns for patrol use. On the range, I’ve seen far more times than I can count a non “gun guy” damn near bend the trigger of an 870 trying to get another shot down range before they think and remember to operate the pump. People use semi auto pistols or even double action revolvers primarily where all they have to do is pull the trigger for the next round to fire. I think shotguns should be the same way, especially now that we have quality, reliable shotgun options. Leave the 870s for less lethal options, but I would want my deputies carrying Benellis with full power buckshot loaded and slugs available on a shell carrier. “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” | |||
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My shotgun would be the Mossberg 590a1 and my pistol would be a Sig P226. Both solid work horses. The Sig holds 18 plus 1 and will last forever. Mossbergs are more user friendly with top safety and well proven design. Jeeps...guns...German Shepherds! | |||
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Rifle: Colt 6920 or Ruger Mini-14. Pistol: GLOCK 19 or SIG P226. | |||
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Misanthropic Philanthrope |
You should carry what the deputies are issued. ___________________________ Originally posted by Psychobastard: Well, we "gave them democracy"... not unlike giving a monkey a loaded gun. | |||
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