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If you have the Python on your hip, then it's mandatory to carry an Ithaca 37 Deer-Slayer Police Special in your right hand. You also need a belt with the small cartridge loops for all those extra .357 mag rounds. . | |||
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I started with the State almost 40 years a go. We started with the Ruger Security Six in .357. Various Bottom Feeders until we had a bad batch of someything. I had retired and went Federal by this time but for a brief shining moment the Department let you carry whatever you wanted in a Wheel gun or Auto. I was issued the M11/228 in Federal service but often thought what I could/would have carried. OUr job was/is very liberal with your backup/off duty weapon. Minimum of 9MM/38 Special, Qual course. No more then two (2) guns on duty. You could qual with more but only carry two at a time. Not counting AR and or Shotgun which the the department let you carry your own but you had to use Department ammo. I would have gone for a Jordon Rig with a 38/44 five inch nickel in Black Basket weave. .357 10 round belt slide with Winchester Silvertip 'cause the nickel cases. Couple of Speedloaders when I was working the road. My recommendation, establish minimum standard Cal, Capacity, Retention level and leave them to it. The good/proficient ones with go with their best. The bottom 5 percent who blow the dust off when they go to qual will go with the cheapest thing they can find. Our job didn't so much tell you what you could carry but rather what you couldn't. It was a pretty short list and eliminated a lot of junk low bid. Good luck as the new MARSHALL.  | |||
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P320 x frame for patrol. Detectives and admin can choose the P365 of their choice. These guns are modular so you can choose 10,12,15, or 17 round grips now and 3.1 or 3.7 inch barrel lengths. ______________________________________________________ Often times a very small man can cast a very large shadow | |||
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What, no one has suggested a nickel-plated Colt Single Army in 45 LC (or similar revolver), with stag or walnut grips with the office's seal engraved in it? Patrol officers, etc.; I'd survey them for their wants/needs. | |||
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This seems pretty reasonable to me. Only thing different is I'd make it a choice between a G19 or a G17. I have a friend who has a Sparc with a dot that is intermittent and I understand this is not unheard of, so while funding may be an issue, I'd make it an Aimpoint of some stripe, maybe a PRO or whatever the most recent iteration of it is. ______________________________________________ Carthago delenda est | |||
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The problem you run into with issuing a choice of guns is a logistical one. Different guns, different holster and magazine pouches, and some officers being issued more than one holster, it becomes a problem with agencies. Based upon performance, the difference between the 19 and 17 is ever so slight. When you add the MRDS, the gap narrows even more. By choosing the 19, an officer can split the difference between uniform and plain clothes assignments with the same gun with zero issues. I was on the steering committee that adopted 17s, and frankly if we had to do it over again, I would go with the 19 hands down for a general issued pistol. Then if you have an officer that is larger stature (or whatever) and wanted a 17 or 34, he could choose it or an M&P or SIG. It has been my experience that agencies don’t foot the bill for holsters, mag pouches, etc for personal purchase guns. The officer buys it out of his/her clothing allowance. As to the Sparc, we have a few dozen and they weren’t chosen based upon cost. It has been my experience that the little sight is damn near bomb proof. And with Vortex’s return policy, if I had a problem I’d just send it back and have it replaced. I’d be fine with an Aimpoint or EoTech and we allow personal purchase of each of an officer wants to. I have an EoTech EXPS, but if I was issued a Saint with a Sparc, I’d be more than happy with it. The only thing I do not like about the Sparc is the auto shut off. We do 10 hour shifts here and the optic turns off after 8. The Aimpoint would definitely be better in that regard. | |||
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With today's threats, and so many times working alone with no backup close, 21st century LE is a high-capacity world for sure, so that respectfully eliminates a 1911 for me if I were elected sheriff. I'd carry a Gen 5 Glock 45 MOS 9mm with Ameriglo Hackathorn tritium night sights (orange front) and Streamlight TLR-7A with low-switch. Safariland 6000-series ALS holster and loaded with Federal HST 124-grain +P JHPs. I'd also consider any other Gen 5 Glock 9mm, especially a G19. If I wanted to carry a .45, it'd be a Glock 30 with Federal HST 230-grain JHPs. I might consider an HK45 V1, maybe. Non-Glock? M&P 2.0 9mm tops that list. I'd also consider the HK VP9, Sig Sauer P226 MK25 or Beretta 92-series railed G-model, with roughly the same same accessories as G45 above. BUG would be a G43/G43X with same HST. Probably in a support side kydex pocket holster. Aholster makes a great one. Rifle would be a BCM 14.5-inch with Federal Tactical 62-grain bonded soft points, Leupold VX-R Patrol 1-4 LPVO with Firedot reticle, Surefire weaponlight, Magpul M3 P-Mags with windows, and Frank Proctor Way of the Gun sling. Just for grins, if I were elected sheriff and did decide on a 1911, I'd carry it in a Milt Sparks 55BN with Sparks double mag pouch and belt. Mags would be Chip McCormick 8 round Railed Power Mags. The 1911 would be a Wilson CQB .45, and I'd buy Hilton Yam's "Duty Tune" DVD so I'd know how to keep it running. Then, I'd buy 1000 rounds and find a Larry Vickers class before I carried that thing!  | |||
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I would. Sorry for the thread hijack but I have a reason why. I'm a life member at my volunteer fire department. For the first 15 years I was here, there were reserved parking spots for the Chief's, Captains and Lieutenants. 7 years ago I became the head trustee. Trustee's control the building/grounds and discipline. First thing I did was get rid of the designated parking spaces (with approval of the other 2 trustees backing me up) and overall crew morale improved. Lead by example, yes the Chief (or in this case Sheriff) can park in the same spot as his/her minions. Sometimes, you gotta roll the hard six | |||
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I would carry a Wilson Combat EDC X9. | |||
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That's why I responded "or 2011" Staccato and several others make 2011's with 17-round capacity--or more. Essentially the same platform with which he's familiar and proficient, but, with the round count of a "modern" pistol. Win, win. Plus, there's precedent: From the Staccato P product page:
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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As the Sheriff, Stainless S/W 686 Plus or, a Colt Python. I'd have an Ithaca 37 in my department SUV next to my patrol rifle which is also old school. | |||
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Depends on your county, and your responsibilities. In smaller, rural areas, the sheriffs and police chiefs still take an active role in law enforcement, doing actual police work. The entire department might consist of the sheriff/chief and a handful of deputies/officers, so the sheriff/chief has to handle their share like everyone else. But in more populous areas with a larger department, the sheriff/chief is basically just a CEO/Director, and take no active law enforcement role. For example, my two local county sheriffs have several hundred employees apiece to handle the hands-on work. Plus a number of moderately large city police agencies within their counties. Those types of sheriffs are not going to be responding to calls, making arrests, or getting into a gunfight with a couple bank robbers with no backup close. They would be fine with just a swanky 1911 for show and for self defense. (Think about being the Sheriff of Washington/Benton/Pulaski County versus the Sheriff of Randolph/Calhoun/Chicot County.) | |||
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You make a good point. NE Arkansas is much more rural than NW Arkansas and central. I guess I'm speaking primarily from my experience with more rural sheriffs. | |||
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G45 with WML and red dots authorized. DPR | |||
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Jerry, my agency was G17 uniforms and G19 for dicks and admin. Uniforms had a level 3 Safariland holster. Being a detective with the 19, when I worked OT in uniform, I found the G19 not as easy to draw out of the level 3 holster, especially in cold weather gear. Just my observations. I voted for the G45. DPR | |||
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pedropcola, Patton carried ivory grips not pearl. He was famously quoted as to his dislike of pearl grips. To answer the OP: PPQ M2 for uniform, 4.25” 1911 for jacket/suit/off duty. | |||
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Ok, yeah that's fair. I'll amend to a choice between a G19 and a G45, final offer. 
I'll definitely pass that info along!
Yeah, if they're going to have that feature, it would be best paired with a shake-awake like Holosun does. Those are now "combat proven," as well as some of the various Sig Romeo models. Hey, while I've got you here, I found and posted that video you asked about in the laser thread.
“Son, only a pimp in a Louisiana whorehouse carries pearl-handled revolvers. These are ivory.” ______________________________________________ Carthago delenda est | |||
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Old school. SAA in a nice rig. ________________________________________________________ "Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil." Doug Patton. | |||
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Our county sheriff, when he took over didn't change a thing from the previous sheriff. He carries a Glock 35, and Glock 27 for back up. All deputies carry the same thing and are all issued 4 additional magazines. No they did swallow the 9mm pill like other departments have. Would I still carry that combination, sure nothing wrong with the 40 cal. P220 Elite Full Size .45 | |||
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Custom made Cowboy rig for a Python complete with cartridge loops. I like where you're going with the Ithica, but I'd change it to a Lever Action .357  Blue steel handgun = blue steel lever action Stainless handgun = stainless rifle. In reality, and dependent upon pre-existing rules, probably a G-17/19 ______________________________________________________________________ "When its time to shoot, shoot. Dont talk!" “What the government is good at is collecting taxes, taking away your freedoms and killing people. It’s not good at much else.” —Author Tom Clancy | |||
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