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If it's good enough for your deputies it's good enough for the new Sheriff. Good luck. | |||
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and you should probaly qualify in the top 10% of scores. Conserve Liberty, and the right of self-determination. | |||
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That part I can handle. My average qualification score with the feds was somewhere between 98 and 99%. I was consistently one of the best shooters in my division. “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” | |||
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What happens if the Department has a list of approved weapons? Glock Sig Sauer Colt Springfield Smith & Wesson Beretta Complicates things a little. ______________________________________________________________________ "When its time to shoot, shoot. Dont talk!" “What the government is good at is collecting taxes, taking away your freedoms and killing people. It’s not good at much else.” —Author Tom Clancy | |||
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That’s kind of the direction I like. The agency can issue a high quality pistol like a Glock, or SIG (Glocks are the current issued weapon) but allow for personally owned weapons within certain criteria. The approved personally owned weapons policy wouldn’t just be for the brass but for everyone on the road. I am a firm believer that one size does not necessarily fit all, and comfort and performance with a duty pistol is more important than conformity, at least within reason. If someone shoots a SIG much better than the issued Glock, or another person shoots absolutely lights out with an HK VP9 but is only a decent shooter with the issued Glock I really don’t see the problem with letting people use the tools that they perform best with. Frankly, in my experience even in agencies that allow for some degree of personally owned firearms the percentage of people that actually take advantage of such a program is pretty small, maybe 15%. It always seemed like a way to help improve morale at absolutely zero cost. “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” | |||
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^^^ Rather than "Complicates things a little." this would appear to "Simplify things a lot." If choice is good enough for the rank and file, then it's good enough for the boss. Regardless, choice of sidearm is not going to make a BAD boss out of a good manager/leader. Nor will it make a make a GOOD boss out of a bad manager/leader. Of no real interest to anybody here, I used to live in NY State (25 years). Both Syracuse and Ithaca. Have some fond memories. Given what has happened since, I'm very happy I got out of NY in 1984. ______________________ An expert is one who knows more and more about less and less until he knows absolutely everything about nothing. --Nicholas Murray Butler | |||
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My 8 3/8” barreled, scoped Model 629 in a chest rig. But then I’d never be elected sheriff either. | |||
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I would carry my Ruger SR1911 CMD. I got lucky with my sample and it will put a bullet dead center in where I have it aimed if I take the time to get the sights aligned perfectly. In rapid fire it groups exactly where I'm looking. You really can't ask for any better accuracy than that. Downsides is I have zero excuses for missing but I don't seem to miss very often. As for the high dollar versions, you could hand me a 10,000 dollar hand made special certified for 1/2 MOA and I wouldn't shoot it any better than my Ruger. Fact is if I'm going to spend 10,000 dollars on a firearm it would be on a Shotgun with some very high grade wood. Because life is too short to shoot with an ugly Shotgun. I've stopped counting. | |||
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As a city LEO many years ago, I carried my personally owned Colt 357 revolver. As a CIC agent (US Army Intelligence) a Colt 1911. As a U.S. Secret Service agent my Colt 357 by authorization of my agent in charge (got into a footmchase and shootout with a counterfeiter Dec 1964 in Ohio); then USSS issued S&W Model 19 for rest of my 26 year USSS career. My suggestion to you would be the Sig P229 in 357 Sig. The USSS loved that weapon. They now issue the Glock 19. Taking down the Glock 19 for cleaning is a struggle for me - the Sig is so much easier. Good Luck for your future! | |||
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I do believe this is the first time I've ever seen a Glock be described as being hard to field strip. | |||
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I’m something of an oddity here on SIGforum, but I have never liked the P229. I was issued a P229 for the first 6 years of my career as a fed. I shot it well, but I never liked the way the gun fit my hand and I shot all the other SIGs I had even better, and did it with greater ease. I’d have no problem carrying a 226, preferably not concealed, but I would never again carry a 229 by choice. I have absolutely nothing against the 229, it really is a fine pistol, it just never really felt right in my hand. “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” | |||
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Staccato P. Proven dependability and American made. | |||
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Hey Nipper, You mentioned Walt Rauch in your post a couple of pages back. Walt was a great guy and a fellow Special Agent of the U.S. Secret Service. So sad that he passed! He really did like 1911's. | |||
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Whatever gun from a reputable maker I shot with quickest/most accurately and for which a quality retention holster were available. Extend that same selection to each deputy. ------------- $ | |||
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Beretta 93R? | |||
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 _________________________ 2nd Amendment Defender The Second Amendment is not about hunting or sport shooting. | |||
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Glock 41. Nothing says 'I'm the law around here' like 14 rounds of 45 ACP. | |||
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Sorry, I missed your post until today. Walt passed away from stroke complications in 2016. He was a member of my LGC and contributed an enormous amount of knowledge to us over the decades. Here's an Ayoob article on his passing: https://www.backwoodshome.com/.../goodbye-walt-rauch/ We have a defensive shooting group that shoots weekly. Walt was a regular until he got older. I learned a lot from him that they don't teach in the books. Our club allows draw/fire and movement while shooting in the weekly sessions. There is also a certification process where a member can do the same on his own. The requirements are pretty stiff, as they should be. I am fortunate to have had those opportunities as well as knowing Walt for a few decades. Until your post, I hadn't realized how long ago it was that he went to that big range in the sky. Since all of this is off-topic, I will briefly mention one more thing about Walt before I go. One aspect of Walt we enjoyed was his handgun testing for magazine articles. Manufacturers would send him handguns and free ammo for T&E (Testing and Evaluation) purposes. Our group was also the beneficiary since we got to wring out the latest hardware and burn up free ammo. Handgunner's Heaven! Unfortunately, when you're as old as me, most of your heroes and gurus are no longer around. It's been a great ride.  This message has been edited. Last edited by: Nipper, ______________________ An expert is one who knows more and more about less and less until he knows absolutely everything about nothing. --Nicholas Murray Butler | |||
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Lots of good ideas and stories in this thread - thank you! It is a welcome break from getting signatures for my petitions. I must say that part of me would love to carry a Beretta 92 Inox in a belt slide holster like Chuck Norris in Walker Tex’s Ranger lol. Actually as much as I love my 1911s I think I enjoy shooting my Wilson Brigadier Tactical more than any other pistol I own. I promise that I will share the love with my deputies if I do ever get some T&E guns and free ammo to shoot through them lol. “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” | |||
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My wife retired from the Service 3 years ago and her preferred handgun is still the P229. _________________________ Sometimes good people have to do bad things to bad people to prevent bad people from doing bad things to good people. A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.-Robert A. Heinlein | |||
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