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Originally posted by Blackwater:

Ben Stoeger just added an Instagram post of a new vid (not definitive) of another AD/ND that just happened.
A guy wearing a P320 Legion AIWB, adjusts his belt/pants with both hand and blew off his right testicle.

I can’t post a link, but if you have instagram you’ll be able to see it.
Not much info out there yet on this incident.

I've seen it. It looks painful. And is not a great advertisment for appendix carry.

Like most of his other videos on the subject, though, Ben has very little background and few concrete details. And the video doesn't really provide a good enough view to determine how what happened happened.

Ben is a great shooter...much better than I'll ever be...but I'm not sure how much he knows about engineering, armoring, or weapons design. He's done a lot more shit-stirring on this issue than objective analysis, and spends as much or more time reading comments in his videos as he does breaking down the incidents. He has even admitted he's loving the drama. Apart from helping to stay up to date on the Pp320 news as it comes out, I've not found his videos to be very helpful.

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Originally posted by 92fstech:
He's done a lot more shit-stirring on this issue than objective analysis, and spends as much or more time reading comments in his videos as he does breaking down the incidents.

Yes, so much so, that I no longer bother watching his content.

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not a great advertisment for appendix carry.

This. So much this. My biggest issue with appendix carry is that whole never let the muzzle cross anything you are not willing to kill or destroy. This and 25 years or so of “muscle memory” so to speak and AIWB is not for me, but I am stubborn and low speed/high drag so there is that too.

Plenty of folks appendix carry effectively, it's just not for me. I've tried it, and found the benefits not to be worth the downsides, which for me were that it was physically uncomfortable and I didn't like having a gun pointed at my junk.

I know no carry position is perfect and most of them flag some body part at some point, but I'd rather take my chances with giving myself a new ass crack at 4 o'clock than making myself a eunuch. It's also another reason I like my hammer-fired DA guns.

Man, if we could just add 9mm versus .45 or point shooting versus sighted Fire we would truly have a Geco one stop shop.

You think there is no reason to have this discussion?

It’s the perfect place to have it.

What does that mean? Do you really want to be a smartass right now?

A beat to death topic with no real facts and another beat to death topic that sides are entrenched? To the point that it’s silly? The irony is thick. So yeah I think k it fits.

You don't dictate policy here, nor decide what content is allowed. It's bad enough that you come into this thread with your "I'm above it all" attitude, but then you try to be a smartass with me when I ask you a direct question, and you tell me that this forum is the "perfect place" for what you deem to be a pointless conversation. Just who in the fuck do you think you are?

I'll tell you something, jljones, and I couldn't be more serious: You're not half as clever as this old tomcat. I mean it.

Furthermore, you don't know jack shit about keeping a place like this going. This is a discussion forum. It requires ever-renewed content or it will die. Threads like this one are the very air this forum breathes.

See if you can comprehend the following-

If you wanted to express your opinion that this thread is pointless, there was a far better way for you to go about it, and it wouldn't have drawn any attention or comment from me. But, no, you couldn't be bothered to be respectful enough to put some thought into it and measure your words and above all, be sincere. No, you couldn't do that. You just had to try to capitalize on what you apparently thought was an opportunity to be clever. On that point, see above.

And BTW- "no real facts"? You must be reading another thread. There is plenty of factual content in this thread. Do you need it pointed out to you?

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Originally posted by 92fstech:

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Originally posted by Blackwater:

Ben Stoeger just added an Instagram post of a new vid (not definitive) of another AD/ND that just happened.
A guy wearing a P320 Legion AIWB, adjusts his belt/pants with both hand and blew off his right testicle.

I can’t post a link, but if you have instagram you’ll be able to see it.
Not much info out there yet on this incident.

I've seen it. It looks painful. And is not a great advertisment for appendix carry.

Like most of his other videos on the subject, though, Ben has very little background and few concrete details. And the video doesn't really provide a good enough view to determine how what happened happened.

Ben is a great shooter...much better than I'll ever be...but I'm not sure how much he knows about engineering, armoring, or weapons design. He's done a lot more shit-stirring on this issue than objective analysis, and spends as much or more time reading comments in his videos as he does breaking down the incidents. He has even admitted he's loving the drama. Apart from helping to stay up to date on the Pp320 news as it comes out, I've not found his videos to be very helpful.

I agree with most of this.
Ben isn't interested in being objective. He hates Sig and will not pass on an opportunity to go after them. He also loves drama. He wouldn't last 5 minutes on this forum.

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Originally posted by Jupiter:
He wouldn't last 5 minutes on this forum.

A bit longer than that, maybe. I might be taking a nap.

Appendix shooting video.

https://youtu.be/l58e2XvU6BQ

It’s not very definitive. And, doesn’t really implicate the gun or the holster. He was futzing with it and, it went off.

I does, however, confirm to me that cocked and unlocked guns are not the optimal choice for Appendix carry and, I’m not even comfortable with cocked and locked. I will stick with one of my P239’s (DAK) or a revolver.

I've seen a lot of stuff, and I had a hard time watching that one.

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Originally posted by 92fstech:
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I know no carry position is perfect and most of them flag some body part at some point, but I'd rather take my chances with giving myself a new ass crack at 4 o'clock than making myself a eunuch. It's also another reason I like my hammer-fired DA guns.

My feeling exactly! While I carried a P365 for several years at around 4:00 position, I was never 100% comfortable with the striker-fired system and sold it recently to help fund my SP2022/40. That was the last striker-fired gun I owned, and I highly doubt I'll ever buy another. If I feel the need to stuff one in my belt temporarily for some reason without a holster, it will always be SOB... never, EVER pointed at my groin or femoral artery!

Edit to add: One mistake I made in the recent past was parting with my Gen 1 Ruger LCP. I did pocket-carry the P365 a few times but the LCP was by far the best in size for that application, plus I had no manual safety to think about. I'm on the lookout for another one pretty soon to replace what I foolishly gave up!

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by Jupiter:
He wouldn't last 5 minutes on this forum.

A bit longer than that, maybe. I might be taking a nap.

I'd give him 10 minutes. The speed at which you are able to jump on trouble-makers has always impressed me, especially when I was the one causing trouble!

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Yea, that is difficult to watch. It took a while for me to get comfortable carrying a Glock IWB and I won’t carry AIWB either.

Seeing shit like this, kinda makes me want to go back to P2000 DA/SA.

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Originally posted by Sgt 127:
Appendix shooting video.

https://youtu.be/l58e2XvU6BQ

It’s not very definitive. And, doesn’t really implicate the gun or the holster. He was futzing with it and, it went off.

I does, however, confirm to me that cocked and unlocked guns are not the optimal choice for Appendix carry and, I’m not even comfortable with cocked and locked. I will stick with one of my P239’s (DAK) or a revolver.

Definitely hard to watch even if it doesn’t show as much detail about the technical workings of the pistol as we would all love to see.

Having said that, and in the interest of humor, I did spit ginger ale out of my nose when I read one of the comments - “SIG P320, the only striker fired pistol with a built in de-cocker.”

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Originally posted by Sgt 127:
Appendix shooting video.

https://youtu.be/l58e2XvU6BQ

Thanks. I'd only seen the short clip of the shooting. The full discussion in your linked video is worth a watch and pretty accurately reflects my views on AIWB. I wouldn't tell somebody not to do it...just make sure if you're going to do it that you do it right with appropriate gear and precautions.

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Originally posted by Blackwater:
Yea, that is difficult to watch. It took a while for me to get comfortable carrying a Glock IWB and I won’t carry AIWB either.

Seeing shit like this, kinda makes me want to go back to P2000 DA/SA.

Striker-fired and single-action pistols are great for home defense and competition. But I think there is a very strong case to be made for Double-action Only (DAO) semi-automatic pistols.

You won't be nearly as fast. But they provide an additional margin of safety for a high stress situation.

Did he grab his belt or his pistol's grip? Looks like the latter to me and he's trying to shove the holster around.