A lot can be accomplished with a big stick, a man with the balls big enough to swing, and who is not beholden to TPTB or GAF about them.

It ain’t over until the ‘Fat Lady Sings’ as ‘they’ say, but thank you President Trump!!

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My level of trust that the Iranians will actually cease working to either build or acquire nukes lies somewhere between nada and zilch. But if we can at least get all the known enriched stuff out of there I'll call it a good deal.

That's the spirit

Not just the material but all the enrichment equipment and facilities bought and paid for by Obama.

They can’t get to bomb grade material if they have no centrifuges and towers.

Wonder if the ‘agreement’ includes the dismantling of the IRGC

So……once Iran gets full backing from China and Russia, where does he think this “deal” will go?

Why don't you tell us? It's your little fantasy.

Go ahead. You know so much better how to handle these psychopaths. Let's hear it, Oppenheimer.

Presuming you are referring to me, I’ll play along.
China and Iran have been in negotiations for Iran to acquire hypersonic anti ship missiles. Iran has been hot to sink one of our ships hopefully a carrier. Lacking the appropriate systems to presently do this by giving them a “deal” allows them to stall, delay and play along until it becomes a reality. Appeasement never will work with them. We draw down our forces and in a year we are back at the same stalemate, but at greater risk to us. You have them with your boot on their throat. Also there are the lives of the 40,000 Iranians who already have paid the price of appeasement. With whom in a fractured government are you even negotiating with?
I wish I had more information.
The world has had 47 years of dealing with Iran.
Anybody confident in the ability to trust them to honor this?
Did not work out so well for the last guy who got off of a plane waving around a signed agreement.

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Originally posted by heydrich: Presuming you are referring to me, I’ll play along.

Don't do that. Don't be coy with me. You know damn well I'm addressing you.

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Did not work out so well for the last guy who got off of a plane waving around a signed agreement.

Smarmy, disingenuous horse shit. Was England under Chamberlain stomping the shit out of Germany when he waved that paper? Was England threatening to inflict more damage (and could really do so) on Germany if they did not agree to terms? Did England have the upper hand against Germany at that time? Twenty years before Munich, Europe had fought the greatest war in world history, and wanted only one thing: to avoid another war, and its leaders deluded themselves in order to try to achieve that goal.

I'm just surprised it took this long for this obvious cop-out sorry excuse to show up in this thread. So lame. Cheap, and disappointingly so.

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China and Iran have been in negotiations for Iran to acquire hypersonic anti ship missiles. Iran has been hot to sink one of our ships hopefully a carrier.

Yeah, this is at least the second time you've made this claim. You behave as if you have a greater understanding of circumstances surrounding this conflict, yet you seem to be oblivious to the implications of a foreign power supplying weapons to Iran which would result in the sinking of an American aircraft carrier. Ain't gonna happen.

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Anybody confident in the ability to trust them to honor this?

Are you reading the comments in this thread? If you were, you wouldn't have to ask that question, and you would know that there is value in reaching an agreement at this time, even when, ultimately, the Iranian regime behaves the way they always behave.

Furthermore, you ignore the fact that "finishing them" would mean a ground invasion, with the attendant loss of American lives, but oh, "40,000 Iranians". Sure, got it. You'd better make preparations to go in yourself, since you so casually dismiss the reality of what you suggest. How you can not know that the American people would not tolerate a ground war in Iran, is beyond me.

We're dealing in reality here. Perhaps that's just not for you.

I never said anything about a ground invasion.
Still plenty of targets left to bomb.
Let’s see what happens when all the facts are known.
I’m hoping for the best.

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Originally posted by heydrich:
I never said anything about a ground invasion.

Well, at this point, it's apparent that's what it would take to "finish them". Disregarding this, is fantasy.

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I’m hoping for the best.

Yeah, sure thing.

Troubling reporting from Lee Smith - a journalist that Trump often praises and is not what I would consider part of the leftwing media.

"Less than three months ago Donald Trump was mocking the 2015 deal Barack Obama made with Iran that cleared the regime’s path to a nuclear bomb. “They sent Boeing 757s over there, loaded with cash, hundreds of millions of dollars,” said Trump, referring to the cash ransom Obama aides delivered directly to the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, or IRGC, to bribe the Iranians to agree to the phony deal. “That’s not going to happen with Trump.”

And yet it seems that’s exactly what’s happening with Trump. According to reports Friday, the United Arab Emirates, a key U.S. regional ally, is making $20 billion of frozen Iranian assets available to the Islamic Republic, with $3 billion of it having already been delivered to Tehran, perhaps by a Boeing 757, and maybe even on wooden pallets like those Obama stacked with cash to pay the terror state. Emirati officials deny that they’re buying off Iran on behalf of the U.S., but if Abu Dhabi thought Trump was going to put the clerical regime down for the count, they wouldn’t be giving money to a neighbor that since March has set fire to high-end real estate properties with hundreds of missile and drone attacks. Instead, the Emiratis are paying tribute to the side that looks like a winner.

Thus it seems that what Trump has frequently called the worst deal ever negotiated, and has identified for more than a decade as Exhibit A in the case against American loserdom, has now become the pattern of his own Iran policy. And like Obama’s, the plan is to gorge the IRGC with money and pave the way to a nuclear bomb while restraining Israel from responding to missile attacks by Iran and its proxies for the sake of what it euphemistically calls regional order."

Link to Full Article

And here's another one who seems to always be pessimistic on this issue. ChicagoSigMan

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And yet it seems that’s exactly what’s happening with Trump.

No, it is not, and if you want to take the position that it is, you're not worth taking seriously on this conflict.

You and this reporter must think Donald Trump is a fool.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend". With no regard for the USA, the left loves anyone who opposes DJT. It has been a constant effort to undermine our country's effort to eliminate the Iranian nuclear and terrorism threats, because they see it only in the context of bringing down Trump.

There has been a continuous stream of reports that Trump is making bad deals, doing something he criticized Obama for, that he is naive wrt Iranian motives, he chickened out, etc. It is all about Trump, and based in lies and innuendo.

It is a propaganda campaign to bolster TDS and to sow doubt about Trump in weak minds.

It seems quite different than the Vietnam era anti-war protests, which weren't so much about the Presidents, one D and one R, as they were about the human costs of that war without discernible benefits.

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Anybody confident in the ability to trust them to honor this?

Social media is full of comments like this, leaving me to wonder, what do you think we should do then? Just fukkin nuke Iran and be done with it? What exactly do you want?

It’s Sunday evening in the Middle East. What happened to the signing of the Peace Deal?

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Anybody confident in the ability to trust them to honor this?

Social media is full of comments like this, leaving me to wonder, what do you think we should do then? Just fukkin nuke Iran and be done with it? What exactly do you want?

The idea of nuking Iran is something that has never been brought up by people of rational minds nor should EVER be considered.
What exactly do I want?
The total destruction of the IRCG and the Iranian people to be liberated from their rule.
I voted for Trump ever time he was on the ballot.
Most of the time I'm in lockstep with his leadership.
What is his plan for dealing with the IRCG?
That is all I'm asking.
If me asking this question makes me a villain on the site, so be it!

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Originally posted by 12131:
It’s Sunday evening in the Middle East. What happened to the signing of the Peace Deal?

Hezbollah attacked Israel with three unmanned aerial vehicles launched from Lebanon.

Israel responded by bombing a Hezbollah command center in Beirut's Dahieh suburb.

Israel now is awaiting Iran to retaliate with ballistic missile fire against Israel.

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/428620

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What exactly do I want?
The total destruction of the IRCG and the Iranian people to be liberated from their rule.

Fair enough. What would that look like? How would that be achieved?

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Originally posted by heydrich:
The idea of nuking Iran is something that has never been brought up by people of rational minds nor should EVER be considered.
What exactly do I want?
The total destruction of the IRCG and the Iranian people to be liberated from their rule.

You ain't going to achieve regime change by just air assault with conventional missiles. The only way to that would be a ground war, and you know it. But you mentioned above that you "never said anything about ground invasion". So, you're all gung-ho and want to totally destroy the IRGC? Tell us the plan, then. YOUR strategy.

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What is his plan for dealing with the IRCG?
That is all I'm asking.

Iran's nuclear weapon ambition has been set back years. Their miltary has been decimated. So, even if he doesn't do anything with them, it's still a win.
Again I ask, give us your strategy of totally destroying the IRGC, since that's all you're asking.

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If me asking this question makes me a villain on the site, so be it!

"Woe is me. I'm the villain on the site. Look at me". Man, that tactic is reserved for children.