Too bad we won't charge all the freeloaders a toll now to cover our costs.
I'm almost as displeased at them as the Iranians, who we knew about going into this mess.

Giddy-up and GO!

Iran Offers 60-Day Toll-Free Hormuz Transit As 100s Of Ships Await Reopening

The U.S. and Iran reached an interim agreement to reopen the Strait of Hormuz on Sunday evening, just 30 minutes before New York futures opened, with officials from both countries set to meet in Switzerland on Friday to formally sign the peace deal.

According to Iranian outlet Fars, the U.S.-Iran deal reportedly includes a 60-day toll-free window for vessels. After that period, if a more permanent deal is agreed upon, Tehran may seek to monetize the Hormuz chokepoint by charging commercial vessels for "services" tied to safety, navigation, environmental protection, and insurance.

Traffic on the Strait remains light on Monday morning, with hundreds of tankers waiting for the Hormuz waterway to officially reopen by the end of the week. But LNG tanker Disha did not wait for the formal opening and made a dash to exit the strait early Monday.

There are nearly 300 loaded vessels idling in the Persian Gulf, while a similar number of empty ships are waiting in the Gulf of Oman to return to export terminals. Another 250 ballast vessels inside the Gulf are ready to pick up cargoes if outbound flows resume.



https://www.zerohedge.com/geop...hips-await-reopening

We should be charging Iran DOUBLE for ensuring we don't blow the shit out of any vessel entering the strait, or their airspace, or overland..

Or leaving.

You know, protection.

Hanson is brilliant. I wish I had a fraction of his intellect.

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Giddy-up and GO!

Iran Offers 60-Day Toll-Free Hormuz Transit

Ok maybe I'm not as smart as anyone else in the room maybe SM can tell me why I'm wrong again or para can yell at me.

We look weak as shit. Went from 5-6 major demands to please no nuclear and let us drive our boats through please.

OK guys, feel free to piss, moan, and tell me I'm stupid, but the Arab world doesn't see concessions as strength, Iran is laughing at us. They already said they will not give us politically what we can't win through war.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:

We look weak as shit. Went from 5-6 major demands to please no nuclear and let us drive our boats through please.

OK guys, feel free to piss, moan, and tell me I'm stupid, but the Arab world doesn't see concessions as strength, Iran is laughing at us. They already said they will not give us politically what we can't win through war.

I believe this Memorandum is a stepping stone which may provide some distance from 24/7 coverage, which then may allow the Iranian government to quietly officially agree to the terms we demand. No nukes, free transit of the Strait of Hormuz, and cessation of all terrorism.

But I do agree that they likely see weakness, and they will always seek our destruction. Best case is regime change to a civilized government. Worst case is they are playing one more round of lying and delaying, which means we'll have to resume military strikes.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:

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Giddy-up and GO!

Iran Offers 60-Day Toll-Free Hormuz Transit

Ok maybe I'm not as smart as anyone else in the room maybe SM can tell me why I'm wrong again or para can yell at me.

We look weak as shit. Went from 5-6 major demands to please no nuclear and let us drive our boats through please.

OK guys, feel free to piss, moan, and tell me I'm stupid, but the Arab world doesn't see concessions as strength, Iran is laughing at us. They already said they will not give us politically what we can't win through war.

Well I'm not going to piss and moan, or tell you you're stupid. I think your lane seems to be in AI (extremely good insight BTW) but changing your lane to foreign policy will probably cause a car crash. A bad car crash.

Perhaps people could wait until the actual terms of the 'yet to be signed' peace deal/agreement were public (and verified!) before going off half-cocked based on information (misinformation?) in 'the media', which is often based on leaks from 'unnamed sources', so potentially made up/fake news intended to push a narritive! We don't even know what we don't know at this point!

Trump maybe giving them all the food they need to hang themselves knowing full well they won’t keep the agreement and will likely break the spirit and intent fire immnevdn hits the paper. That gives him the green light to bomb the crap out of them.

This could all be massive PR to demonstrate how untrustworthy they are

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According to Iranian outlet Fars, the U.S.-Iran deal reportedly includes a 60-day toll-free window for vessels.

Skins, consider the source for the quote that seems to be bothering you.

If you think we "look weak as shit" then have fun wallowing in your misery. This is a very complicated situation and you don't even know what's going on but you've already surrendered. Frankly, I find that disgusting.

An important 'Truth' right here...



https://x.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/2066661975896068311

Iran "agreeing to never having a nuclear weapon" may be true in that they've apparently promised this, but no one who knows the behavior of the Iranian regime in the last 50 years believes that there is even the slightest chance that these psychopaths will ever stop desiring and seeking nuclear weapons. They will continue to develop long-range delivery systems and they will plan for the day when they can marry their ICBMs to nuclear warheads.

For those out there shaking their heads and clucking their tongues at us for supporting President Trump's efforts and accomplishments- thinking that we are hopelessly naive and misguided- I'll tell you flat-out that you are the naive ones- thinking that we trust the current Iranian regime in the least.

We know that the Iranians will say one thing and then do another, and so does President Trump. What seems completely lost on those of you who think we're clueless yokels, is that the United States can pound the ever-loving shit out of Iran at its leisure. What brought Iran to heel is this last round of bombings by the United States. The Iranians know President Trump walks on a knife edge in this conflict because of the leftist trash in this country and the rapidly approaching midterms. President Trump called the Iranians bluff, and that's why we now have an agreement in principal with these barbarians, and it is only President Trump's willingness to bomb them and strangle them economically which brought them in line.

So, do us all a favor and stop thinking you see things that we don't. Stop thinking that it is your duty to save us from ourselves. We know what's going on. You don't need to tell us Iran can't be trusted, and the fact that you can't comprehend why we still support President Trump's efforts, even knowing this, is your problem, not ours.

Iran is a trillion dollars in the hole because of the damage we've inflicted upon their country. We've decimated their leadership. We've demonstrated that we can fly over their country with impunity and bomb them at will and send missiles into their country and sink their ships and blow up their armed forces and do whatever the Hell we want and there's nothing they can do about it but become poorer and weaker and die.

It seems Iran agreed to a deal after Trump shared Sunday night's (June 14) target list with them. A diplomatic solution, while desireable, is not essential. The "end game" if diplomacy fails is enough additional destruction that we don't need them to agree on anything.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
What seems completely lost on those of you who think we're clueless yokels, is that the United States can pound the ever-loving shit out of Iran at its leisure.

Anytime, anywhere, at will, this is the USA's literal Super Power and President Trump used it. This is not a projection of weakness. The USA didn't yell "Stop!", again. Instead, the USA bombed Iran, again and then cut Iran off from the oil market.

............................... Iran: "All right. We'll call it a draw!"

Did anyone stop to think that Trump is blocking the release of the text of the deal to help the Iranians save face? The Iranians are extremely prideful and I doubt they'd sign off on so many concessions unless our side agreed to keep their loss under wraps.

The text of the deal has been released. It seems that my "pessimism on this issue" was justified. The deal is not good and it is not at all what JD Vance has been promoting on his recent media tour. It is essentially a "commitment" to discuss things further. And this commitment is dependent on the lifting of the blockade, the removal of restrictions on selling oil and the unfreezing of assets (Paragraph 13). So Vance was mischaracterizing the agreement (to put it diplomatically) when he stated a million times yesterday that Iran gets nothing until it complies with all the final demands of the US. There is no removal or neutering of the enriched uranium, only a commitment to discuss it later, respecting Iran's "nuclear needs." But hey, Iran did promise not to develop nuclear weapons so there's that. There is also zero mention of Iran's support for it's regional proxies like Hezbollah, despite Vance telling everyone that the MOU commits Iran to ending such support. There is a commitment, however, for the US to not support resistance groups inside Iran. There is also no mention of Iran's missile or drone programs. The US commits - with its regional partners - to ensure reconstruction and economic development financing of at least $300 billion. No regional partner is a signatory to the agreement.

I suppose we now need to wait until the final deal is negotiated to make a conclusive judgment, but can anyone seriously say this is what the Administration has been selling or that the deal is what you had hoped for? Does this MOU seem at all like something a victor has obtained from a thoroughly vanquished foe?

My prediction: This will not be viewed as a victory here at home. Trump seemingly turned a decisive military victory into a diplomatic retreat. Sure, we can theoretically go back to war at any time (although the first sentence of the deal states that the parties will "from now on" not launch hostile action against the other and will refrain from the threat or use of force), but how likely is it? It is certainly not likely before the midterms and even less likely after Trump leaves office.

I do note the conspicuous absence of any vocal support of the deal from Marco Rubio. My guess is that he plans to run in 2028 and wants nothing to do with this deal other than to hang it around Vance's neck.

I'm looking forward to hearing why I'm wrong....



Here it is in full:

1. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States, together with their allies in the current war, declare upon the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding an immediate and permanent end to the war on all fronts, including Lebanon, and undertake that from now on they will not launch any hostile action against each other, and will refrain from the threat or use of force against each other. The final agreement will confirm the provisions of this Article and the remaining Articles.

2. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States undertake to respect each other’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, and to refrain from interfering in each other’s internal affairs.

3. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States undertake to negotiate and reach a final agreement within a maximum period of 60 days, extendable by mutual consent.

4. Immediately upon the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, the United States Lift [sic] the naval blockade and prevent any interference or obstruction against the Islamic Republic of Iran, and restore traffic within a maximum of 30 days to its full capacity; the traffic of ships shall be proportional to the pre-war volume of traffic on the part of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The United States also undertakes to withdraw its forces from the surrounding areas within 30 days after the final agreement.

5. Upon signing this Memorandum of Understanding, the Islamic Republic of Iran will immediately take steps to ensure that the movement of merchant ships from the Persian Gulf to the Sea of ​​Oman and vice versa is resumed within 30 days to the pre-war volume, taking into account the need for the removal of technical obstacles and the neutralization of mines by Iran.

6. The United States undertakes, together with its regional partners, to create a comprehensive plan agreed upon by both parties for the rehabilitation and economic development of the Islamic Republic of Iran, While ensuring financing of at least $300 billion. The implementation mechanism of this plan, as part of the final agreement, will be formulated within 60 days.

7. The United States commits to ending, on a schedule to be agreed upon as part of the final agreement, all types of 4sanctions currently facing the Islamic Republic of Iran, including resolutions of the United Nations Security Council and the Board of Governors of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), and all unilateral U.S. sanctions, both primary and secondary.

8. The Islamic Republic of Iran reiterates that it will never produce nuclear weapons. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States have agreed that the fate of enriched material and the fate of all other mutually agreed nuclear-related issues, including Iran’s nuclear needs, will be adequately addressed in a final agreement; the final agreement will confirm the provisions of this Article.

9. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States agree that, pending a final agreement, they will maintain the status quo: Iran will maintain the status quo on its nuclear program, and the United States will not impose new sanctions on Iran or strengthen its forces in the region.

10. The United States undertakes that immediately after the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, and until the date of the lifting of sanctions, the United States Treasury Department will issue waivers for exports of Iranian crude oil, petrochemical products and their derivatives, and all related services, including banking, insurance, transportation, and the like.

11. The United States undertakes that, in light of the progress of negotiations towards a final agreement, frozen or restricted funds and assets of the Islamic Republic of Iran will be released and made fully available. These funds, whether held in the master account or transferred, will be used for any final beneficiary payment determined by the Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran and will be fully available for use. The United States undertakes to issue all necessary permits and licenses on this basis.

12. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States agree that an implementation mechanism will be established to oversee the successful implementation of and future commitment to the Final Agreement.

13. Following the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, and upon receipt of assurances regarding the commencement of implementation of Articles 4, 5, 10, and 11 of this Memorandum of Understanding, and the continued implementation of these steps, the Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States will enter into negotiations for a Final Agreement solely with respect to the remaining Articles.

14. The final agreement will be approved through a binding resolution of the UN Security Council.

It's an Agreement to agree to discuss the current Agreement further in the future.