The first casualty of War, is the truth.

I’m setting here peacefully watching ‘Full Metal Jacket’ on Prime and I escaped being called to fight in the Vietnam War (Thank you God in Heaven)…but that alone is a double source of my sadness from what we as Patriotic Americans are exposed to on a daily basis via the media…we as a Nation need to have OUR Government stand accountable for every single round sent down range in the defense of our country… things are changing quickly and those we elected to office must positively answer those threats in the most meaningful and pro-American way possible with the loss of more American lives being in the forefront while putting an end to this fucking bullshit before it overwhelms our Nation…just my thoughts on the subject Y’all…remember that we are getting older and our votes really do matter in the scheme of things! Take care y’all!

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Originally posted by Lunasee:
The first casualty of War, is the truth.

Clearly some of you don't follow Truth Social and know what's actually going on. Trump is the most direct source we have as this is his conflict and he posts multiple times a day about the overwhelming success our military is having. I would rather believe my president than join the doom and gloom party.

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Originally posted by Carpentermaass84:
Clearly some of you don't follow Truth Social and know what's actually going on. Trump is the most direct source we have as this is his conflict and he posts multiple times a day about the overwhelming success our military is having. I would rather believe my president than join the doom and gloom party.

I love Trump, but he’s not God. He can and does make mistakes.

He has declared victory in Iran several times, and spoken at least 5x of an imminent deal over the last 90 days. There’s a meme going around, spread by leftists, with him saying exactly those words - direct quotes, no altering.

Trump expected this to be over much quicker.

TDS - Trump Derangement Syndrome

I don't suffer from that. If I did I wouldn't have voted for him three times.

TDS - Trump Deity Syndrome

I don't suffer from that either. He can and does make mistakes.

Tell me who you see around here who is treating Donald Trump as if he is divine.

What is the point of saying he can make mistakes? Who doesn't know that everyone makes mistakes all the time?

^^^ exactly

I have grown tired of people feeling it necessary to tell the world that they voted for the President 3 times while criticizing him.

If you don't agree with him on a subject, so be it.

Do not mistake my reticence to criticize Donald Trump as an indication I think him to be infallible.

2016- Who would have been POTUS if Donald Trump had not won?

Hillary Clinton. Who else could have stopped her? Jeb Bush?

2024- Who would have been POTUS if Donald Trump had not won?

Kamala Harris

Imagine four years (eight years, actually) of Hillary Clinton. Go on. Stop for a minute and ponder eight years of that demon.

Imagine Kamala Harris as POTUS right now. Go ahead. Stop for a minute and think what things would be like right now. You think you have things to complain about?

Donald Trump saved this nation. TWICE

Tell me it's not true. Tell me, also, that you do not see what he is doing for us right now. Tell me that you do not see that his appointment of Marco Rubio as SoS has positioned a fine candidate for 2028- far better than anything the Democrats have.

Tell me that you know better than Donald Trump and his advisors, how to walk the knife edge that is the Iranian situation. Tell me you don't understand that dealing with these psychopathic, suicidal religious zealots is a near-impossible situation. Tell me how you would literally destroy the entire nation of Iran without destabilizing the region, the US economy, and possibly the entire world.

Tell me about navigating to the mid-terms, and how there is an easy solution to all of this, while making sure that the Democrats don't re-take Congress.

No one- N-O O-N-E could be doing a better job for us right now than Donald Trump, and if you think that means that I and others think he's a god, then you're simply blinded by your own prejudices.

Or maybe we should just get Kamala's input.

^^^^^^^^^

Precisely.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Tell me who you see around here who is treating Donald Trump as if he is divine.

What is the point of saying he can make mistakes? Who doesn't know that everyone makes mistakes all the time?

I was simply agreeing with reloader-1's comment (the post just above mine). As reloader said, "I love Trump, but he's not God. He can and does make mistakes." Nothing more.

Thank you for giving me the opportunity to point out that I was simply agreeing with reloader. Reflecting on it, of course my post, while accurate, was also obvious and unnecessary.

I have no idea what the conclusion of this war will be.  Nor does anyone else.  But:

1. Iran was likely months, or weeks away from developing nuclear weapons.  Plural.  They may be given others of course, from the other well-known bad players in the game, but they would have had their own, soon.
2. They would have used them. At a minimum, as leverage across the ME and the world, but potentially and depending on their own internal instability and insanity, literally.
3. They have been direct and indirect contributors to conflict, murder and coercion across the globe and regionally, for decades.  A debt of blood was owed to many nations, but particularly to America.
4. And the country of Iran had and has the potential to not only destabilize the region but the planet, with no corner untouched, and with results unknowable on one end and unimaginable on the other.

President Trump spent and is spending political capital, America lives and American treasure to stop them, knowing full well he will not be elected again, and very likely may compromise the Republican party's chances of a majority in the midterms.  He knew what he was spending, and he knew what he was buying.  But he did it anyway in spite of multiple assassination attempts and the scorn of his countrymen and the world.  He will not be applauded by many in his own party, for reducing their chances, and he certainly won't be praised by the Democrats, obsessed as they are with destroying the man and the country which created them.  But this moment is very likely the world's last chance (or at least for long decades) to shore up the flimsy dike between the civilized Western world and an age of absolute chaos - again.  Trump may not be remembered tomorrow, but if we live through this, as God gives us the light and His favor, history will remember him, and thank their stars.

"And how can man die better
Than facing fearful odds,
For the ashes of his fathers,
And the temples of his Gods..." 

T. B. Macaulay

There is so much incredible wisdom being posted in this thread, from Para's last post, Doc H's post, and so many others.

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Originally posted by reloader-1:
He has declared victory in Iran several times, and spoken at least 5x of an imminent deal over the last 90 days. There’s a meme going around, spread by leftists, with him saying exactly those words - direct quotes, no altering.

I find you to be a savvy political analyst, reloader, so I am puzzled that you have missed something key here.

Donald Trump has spent a lifetime as a deal-maker. No one succeeds in his field unless deals go through. This deal-making psychology compels him to try to will deals into reality, and he does this through public assertions of success, of the inevitable successful completion of deals. This language is calculated to create market confidence and momentum with those whom he is negotiating.

Every deal is going great, this project is going to result in the finest building of its kind, the like of which no one has ever seen before. People are going to be so happy, everyone involved will benefit, and on and on.

Over and over, we have heard this kind of language and attitude from him. He is smoothing the path by clearing obstacles as best he can, and one way he can do this is through these positive affirmations.

Now, to be sure, closing the deal on a new high-rise in Manhattan is different than negotiating to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of psychopaths, but in both cases, Donald Trump is the Donald Trump he has been, consistently, over the decades.

It is no surprise that there is a "meme going around, spread by leftists, with him saying exactly those words - direct quotes, no altering." No surprise at all, because those people possess no objectivity, nor have any desire for President Trump to succeed, and will therefore ignore the man's modus operandi, but you, friend, you should know better, and I have to wonder if it's that you cannot see it, or that you will not see it. Either way, you've missed it.

Noted, Para, and I’m reflecting.

My first thought is that Trump’s approach is uniquely suited to domestic policies, but that’s a defensive thought - will try to peel apart why I’m approaching it this way, and what I am missing.

Since Vietnam, the U.S. has been militarily tactically supreme, but strategically deficient. We have a golden opportunity in the Americas and Europe to build and prepare the world for a future that might have parallels in the 1930’s, with China playing the role of the ascendant superpower that is seeking to upend world order and must be stopped.

If we get it wrong, all of us lose.

Edit: Trump has been an absolute blessing to the US. Easily top 5 presidents since 1900, and likely top 2 (Reagan might edge him at the moment, in hindsight he will likely surpass Reagan).

Immigration, defense, and society have all been vastly improved. That is a damn good president.

I think I’m in the forest, noticing which trees could have been selected for cutting down, while entire sections ahead have been cleared by Trump and I haven’t been able to see it. That’s likely it.

Being a history buff and an Army Finance veteran, all I can add to this topic is we had better finish it or head home. Our annual spending deficit is now $1.7 trillion as I write this and the bond markets are not happy. We have a lot of short-term debt that needs to be refinanced soon and these high interest rates are just going to make things worse. So either go all in or declare victory and go home.

Fiscal deficits have destroyed more countries and empires than military defeats.

This situation may simply be pluperfect example of doing the “right thing” for the US, AND the Middle East. Hell, the whole world. It also may be political suicide if President Trump can’t walk the tightrope perfectly. Lose in the midterms, spend the last 2 years listening to pedophilic Communist psychopaths trying to impeach him and putting Rubio in a hole to start the ‘28 campaign. 30 and more years ago that would just mean some slick dick with a Southern accent would mess things up a bit for 4-8 years.
Now? I think we all know what would happen: a complete Socialist/Communist “ fundamental change”.

It's being reported that the Saudi crown prince has requested that we postpone our attack and supposedly another offer has been given to the Iranians to consider.

This might make sense because the Saudi's have supposedly been repositioning ground troops to go after the Houthis in Jemen.

I had no idea:

https://x.com/Jringo1508/status/2083572248791683559

I have no words....