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Let’s see what the the coming weeks bring. The one clear outcome of this conflict so far has been to show how utterly depleted and insufficient our ability is to supply the military weapons needed.

You know that by listening to the msm?
Everything I hear is the opposite.
Might try getting your info somewhere else then the msm.

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:

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Let’s see what the the coming weeks bring. The one clear outcome of this conflict so far has been to show how utterly depleted and insufficient our ability is to supply the military weapons needed.

You know that by listening to the msm?
Everything I hear is the opposite.
Might try getting your info somewhere else then the msm.

I don’t read MSM generally. I like reading various military focused sites, including The War Zone, Task & Purpose, and Breaking Defense.

The closest I get to MSM is the Wall Street Journal, but that publication has gone south for years.

Some relevant articles, I do prefer how The War Zone is meticulous in citing sources within articles:

https://www.twz.com/news-featu...terceptor-stockpiles

https://taskandpurpose.com/new...iran-asymmetric-war/

https://breakingdefense.com/20...in-the-supply-chain/

EDIT: excellent sourced article, referenced in the articles above. Author is a retired Marine Colonel at https://www.csis.org/ but the data is based on production and expenditure:

https://www.csis.org/analysis/...ry-multiyear-project

Those directing the effort do not seem overly concerned. Everyone else has and anti effort agenda imho.

Understood.

I want this war to succeed. I want the US to be prosperous and free. I desire nothing more than the shining city on the hill, and more winning than we can deal with.

Our industrial base is greatly depleted, and thank God that Trump is doing his best to ramp that up. We aren’t there yet, and I hope we get another Republican administration after to continue the work.

Agreed, we all want the same thing. Keep fighting and keep the faith!

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Originally posted by reloader-1:

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:

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Let’s see what the the coming weeks bring. The one clear outcome of this conflict so far has been to show how utterly depleted and insufficient our ability is to supply the military weapons needed.

You know that by listening to the msm?
Everything I hear is the opposite.
Might try getting your info somewhere else then the msm.

I don’t read MSM generally. I like reading various military focused sites, including The War Zone, Task & Purpose, and Breaking Defense.

The closest I get to MSM is the Wall Street Journal, but that publication has gone south for years.

Some relevant articles, I do prefer how The War Zone is meticulous in citing sources within articles:

https://www.twz.com/news-featu...terceptor-stockpiles

https://taskandpurpose.com/new...iran-asymmetric-war/

https://breakingdefense.com/20...in-the-supply-chain/

EDIT: excellent sourced article, referenced in the articles above. Author is a retired Marine Colonel at https://www.csis.org/ but the data is based on production and expenditure:

https://www.csis.org/analysis/...ry-multiyear-project

So a conflict with Iran showed that we currently do not have enough inventory of many of our defensive and offensive weapons. Hopefully we will be making much more than to replenish used stock and stockpiling even more. I guess this is also showing our adversaries the same, where they need to stockpile more than what they have now. Just my opinion and observation. God Bless

Like the government is giving out classified exact inventories to the enemy.

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
Like the government is giving out classified exact inventories to the enemy.

Correct.

And it's on again..... Iran just launched surprise missile attack on Jordan according to Centcom.

Asked whether Putin is helping Iran target Americans, President Trump said that he would ask Putin. He said he trusts Putin to tell the truth. This conflicts with what Hegseth. who said categorically that the Russians are assisting the Iranians.

https://www.the-independent.co...an-aid-b3021251.html

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
Like the government is giving out classified exact inventories to the enemy.

Correct.

There are things that are public knowledge, that likely shouldn’t be. How many missiles we buy, how many are budgeted, how many are delivered, and roughly how many are shot.

Perhaps one might be off by a percentage, but we do have fairly accurate information.

Perhaps we shouldn’t, but that’s for another discussion. We know how many B-2 bombers we have in inventory, for example… Should we? Probably not.

It’s one of the benefits but also negatives of having a “free” country. There’s a famous example of a senator in WW2, that revealed information about depth charges used by the Japanese and directly lead to hundreds of deaths. In a better world, he would have been sentenced immediately.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Fed161:
Asked whether Putin is helping Iran target Americans, President Trump said that he would ask Putin. He said he trusts Putin to tell the truth. This conflicts with what Hegseth. who said categorically that the Russians are assisting the Iranians.

No one with a half a brain would not think
Russia would assist Iran. Or China for that matter. Of course they would want to assist them.
We have been the primary reason ukraine is still fighting them.

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
Like the government is giving out classified exact inventories to the enemy.

What was posted was the use rate versus the replenishment rate, neither of which tell us what the inventory actually is. I have no idea, but if we have 20,000 Tomahawks, used 1000, and replenished 200 of them, we still have 19,200 Tomahawks. Of course, no one posts what is in the inventory, which is a crucial part of the equation.

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Fed161:
Asked whether Putin is helping Iran target Americans, President Trump said that he would ask Putin. He said he trusts Putin to tell the truth. This conflicts with what Hegseth. who said categorically that the Russians are assisting the Iranians.

No one with a half a brain would not think
Russia would assist Iran. Or China for that matter. Of course they would want to assist them.
We have been the primary reason ukraine is still fighting them.

Ukraine has entered the chat.

They smoked two Russian/Iranian cargo vessels exchanging weapons this week.

Russia damn sure is in on this along with Chinese intel.

Iran to Get Chinese Shoulder-Launched Missile Systems in Weeks: Reuters
The $60 million deal would add up to 400 shoulder-fired missiles as Tehran rebuilds defenses after U.S. and Israeli strikes exposed gaps.

Iran is expected to receive within weeks up to 400 Chinese-made shoulder-fired missile launchers, significantly expanding its short-range air-defense inventory amid ongoing war with the United States.
The $60-70 million purchase addresses vulnerabilities exposed during the five-month-old conflict with the United States and Israel, as Tehran seeks to secure military and strategic infrastructure against precision-guided threats.
Signed through Hong Kong-based intermediary Zhongqing Baoshang International Investment, the contract covers 300 to 400 QW-12 and FN-16 missile systems designed for rapid deployment around military installations and sensitive sites.
China's Foreign Ministry dismissed reports as "completely groundless," while Pakistan's military public relations wing ISPR labeled involvement speculations as "absolutely concocted and false" on Tuesday.
President Donald Trump stated strikes will resume if negotiations fail to end the conflict, which has been in ceasefire since April, as Tehran explores overland routes to reduce delivery disruption risks.

https://ground.news/article/ir...in-weeks-sources-say

This should have been finished when we had our foot on their throats, IMO

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This should have been finished when we had our foot on their throats, IMO

That's the problem. We never had our feet on their throats. Iran poses a number of problems that the US cannot address without a full scale military effort along the lines of WWII. The American public won't tolerate that, and if they did, it would likely trigger global conflict.

China, for example, would not sit still while America completely conquers Iran, killing or imprisoning the majority of its population, taking unilateral control of the Straits of Hormuz.

The Iranian people have been subjugated by a brutal government for a generation. The populace does not have the tools or inclination to rise up, overthrow the government (which is now decentralized anyway), and create a modern, enlightened, democratic substitute that is friendly to the US.

We are in a mess and it has to be dealt with, but I don't think notions of us just stamping them out, or ripping them up by the roots, or turning the country into glass are realistic. The truth is that it is an incredibly complex problem, and we made it worse with the current war. And we're not going to bomb our way out of it.

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
Ukraine has entered the chat.
They smoked two Russian/Iranian cargo vessels exchanging weapons this week.
Russia damn sure is in on this along with Chinese intel.

Ukraine initially boasted about the strike, but is now downplaying it.
If the Ukraine and Iran wars merge... it quickly becomes WWIII.


Ukraine's FM Claims Attack On Iranian Ship In Caspian Sea Was 'Unintentional'

The week started with a bizarre incident in the Caspian Sea involving an Iranian commercial vessel and the Iranian military, an episode which threatened to expand the war by merging two conflict theatres.

Iran had accused Ukraine of attacking an Iranian commercial vessel by long-range drone in the Caspian Sea on Saturday, which resulted in an explosion that killed one sailor and injured another.

Soon after, Iran's Ministry of Foreign Affairs summoned Ukraine’s chargé d’affaires in Tehran to severely protest the "hostile and criminal" attack, IRNA reported.

Iran's Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi has warned that the "blatant UN Charter violation" which was "done at Israel's behest" could serve to "drag Europe into its war." Araghchi also denounced and attacked Zelensky personally, calling him the "freeloader in Kyiv".

But on Tuesday, there was a rapid walk-back and climb-down of sorts regarding the whole murky incident.

Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi newly stated that Ukraine's foreign minister assured him that the Ukrainian drone attack on the Iranian commercial vessel was "unintentional".

"Was assured by Ukrainian FM [Andrii Sybiha] that the attack on an Iranian ship was unintentional and Ukraine seeks no escalation," Araghchi wrote on X. "Iran does not seek escalation either, but made clear any attack on our citizens or interests is unacceptable. There must be restitution for losses."

Ukraine's top diplomat Andrii Sybiha‎ in turn didn't exactly deny it was an intentional attack; however, he did acknowledge that a civilian vessel was struck, and not a military one.

"I reiterated that all of Ukraine’s actions are aimed solely at defending our country from Russian aggression and never intended to target civilian vessels or people," Sybiha said after a call with Araghchi.

"This is also true with regard to Iran’s statements about their national who died and a civilian vessel that was targeted in a recent incident. Our goal is to counter Russian aggression, which is the root cause of all incidents, and it is Russia who bears full responsibility for all provocations and casualties," he added.

So it seems the two sides have agreed to downplay the attack incident and just move on. And yet what makes this bizarre and unexpected is that Ukraine seemed to initially be openly boasting of the escalation.

President Zelensky himself announced soon after on X, "We also have very good results from long-range strikes in the waters of the Caspian Sea. In particular, these are vessels that were involved in transporting military cargo from Iran, and a warship."

It is also perplexing how a long-range drone attack on a maritime vessel, presumably hundreds of miles away and which would require very precision targeting, could result in a direct hit and yet be 'unintentional'.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geop...ea-was-unintentional

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We are in a mess and it has to be dealt with, but I don't think notions of us just stamping them out, or ripping them up by the roots, or turning the country into glass are realistic. The truth is that it is an incredibly complex problem, and we made it worse with the current war. And we're not going to bomb our way out of it.

I agree with this and the frustration it evokes. But I do think we had to do something regarding their nuclear intentions and it's been said that they were very close to being capable of using that weaponry against its neighbors and Europe.

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Soon after, Iran's Ministry of Foreign Affairs summoned Ukraine’s chargé d’affaires in Tehran to severely protest the "hostile and criminal" attack, IRNA reported.

Iran's Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi has warned that the "blatant UN Charter violation" which was "done at Israel's behest" could serve to "drag Europe into its war." Araghchi also denounced and attacked Zelensky personally, calling him the "freeloader in Kyiv".


https://www.zerohedge.com/geop...ea-was-unintentional

100% ANYTHING from Iran is a LIE.

100% ANYTHING from zerohedge is unreliable sensationalist propaganda.

Try again. Iran already went whining to the UN and got spanked.

Keep cheering on the enemy with the doom and gloom.

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Keep cheering on the enemy with the doom and gloom.

Just because you support unlimited and unconditional war in Ukraine... and probably Iran as well...
This is tiresome.
No one here has ever cheered on the enemy.

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100% ANYTHING from zerohedge is unreliable sensationalist propaganda.

Can you show me another source where the person quoted said something different than the quote?

I'm certainly not saying I agree with this person...