This wasn't their first house robbery, just their last one.

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Originally posted by jljones:
These threads are fun. Suppressors and hearing protection.

Why complicate things?

That simple little plan seems to have worked really well for the kid in this OP.

Tinnitus. A small price to pay. Kinda.

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Originally posted by tacfoley:
I don't whinge about the US laws that prevent me from gun ownership during my months of the year I spend in the USA, I just accept that the USA is a different country and leave it at that. It's time that you all accepted that premise with regard to the restrictive laws in the UK - that's the way they are, and not about to change.

tac

Y'all talk funnier than your gun laws

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Handguns reign supreme for home defense. How are you going to point your rifle and hold a cell phone to your ear at the same time? You need that other hand free for phones, opening doors etc. A proper sling will aid in these respects, but the rifle is still at a disadvantage when compared to the handgun.

Also, the handgun is ready without any noisy preparation. I don't know of anyone who keeps an AR15 with a round chambered. Charging your rifle is not a quiet operation. The handgun, however, is ready to go. Just pick it up.

This is not to say that I don't keep an AR15 for home defense, but rifles have their drawbacks.
If your alarm is going off, it doesn't matter because the cat's out of the bag, but if stealth is called for at the moment, an AR15 is not going to cut it unless you leave a round chambered, and that is something I am just not going to do.

And then, there's maneuvering in confined spaces. The disadvantage of a rifle in confined spaces is apparent.

I 100% agree. I am way, way more comfortable with a pistol than I am with my AR. I have shot thousands of rounds through AR, but in excess of 50,000 rounds through pistols, specifically SIGs.

For zombie apocalypse I am taking the AR, normal home invasion/BE situation, especially if woken from sleep, I am grabbing a pistol. I can load, fire, heck even field strip my SIG pistols with my eyes closed. With an AR I would have trouble finding the safe or mag release. High pressure/adrenaline situation, I am going with comfort.

I look at it differently.

In a home invasion, I'm loading my rifle, calling 911, setting the phone down on the bed (on speaker) and ventilating anyone that doesn't heed my warning of "I have a gun! Leave immediately!" and opens my bedroom door.

No pieing corners, in my defense plan. They can have anything that they can take away from the dog.

Bruce

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Originally posted by RNshooter:
They can have anything that they can take away from the dog.

I sure hope you've got camera's. I'd really like to see the BG's trying to take something from an angry dog. On the dogs home turf. That'd be more fun to watch than the fat chick burning out with the last of her "gang" running after her, waving.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Getaway driver doesn't 'feel responsible' for killings

Yeah, you be sure and say that to the jury, Braniac. Cowardly bitch, sitting on your ass while your fellow thieves died. He should've shot your dumb, disgusting ass, too.

The full interview with her:

News 9: Broken Arrow Triple Murder Suspect Interviewed By Lori Fullbright (Video Interview & Text)

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TULSA, Oklahoma - The woman at the center of a triple shooting in Wagoner County spoke to News On 6 from jail.
Liz Rodriguez faces three murder charges after three of her friends were shot and killed when they broke into a home on Monday.

“I’m guilty of the robbery but I’m not guilty of the murders,” she said.

Rodriguez said the most important thing she wants people to know is she didn't willingly leave her friends behind.

She said she feels sorry for their family, and sorry for her family - but when it comes to Zach Peters, the man who was home when they broke in, he's at the bottom of her list for compassion.

"I'm sorry we broke into his house. I'm sorry we scared him or whatever, but I'm not going to be sorry he shot somebody. He could've shot them boys in the leg. I understand he was scared, had every right, he has his rights, has his rights, I'm understanding of him. I affected his life, I'm sorry, but am I compassionate for him? He's on the bottom of my list to be compassionate for," Rodriguez said.

She said she'd done other break-ins in Tulsa County and near Owasso, but no one had ever been home.

She said they'd already broken into the Peters' garage and loaded items into the trunk, then the boys went to kick in the door of the main house - she heard the kicks, then gunshots and waited.

Rodriguez said, "Jake came out and slid across my car. I put it in park, got out and before he fell down. He said, ‘I got hit.’ I said, ‘Where, bro,’ and I pulled up his shirt and saw the gunshot in his chest and all the blood. I was holding on to him, ‘C'mon bro, get in the car, get in the car, get out of here,’ but he just grabbed my hand and said go, told me to leave."

She said she'd met Max Cook a month earlier online, was best friends with Jake Redfearn and Jaykob Woodruff was Max's friend, but considers them to be family.

She doesn't believe it's right she's charged with their murders.

"I understand the concept of why they're charging me, but, do I think it's right, no. Do I think what happened to them is right, no. All I can do is wait it out and hope for the best. I'm not guilty of that, not guilty of killing them, not guilty of murdering them," she said.

Rodriguez said she knows she's going to prison, just doesn't know for how long. She hopes the judge will give her bail so she can go home and say goodbye to her kids before she goes away.

Warms the heart.

Back to the noise issue. You guys have grossly overplayed it. Many of our soldiers and Marines went to war. No, not one war, a whole host of them. I don't recall any of them having used hearing protection, nor did most use wimpy rounds until Vietnam. Those earlier boys used real guns, like .30-06, mostly. And they cleared a bunch of houses and buildings. They came home and most could hear. I'd bet auto racing was worse, but we all can still hear. While I don't want to down play the hearing loss thing, its been overplayed in recent years.

Most of us have hunted and used some pretty intense cartridges. We never considered putting on hearing protection. Those being charged by a grizzly or brown bear often relate the growling, but not the noise of the magnum rifle.

As far as allowing Lizzy to make her jailhouse interviews, I'd say its similar to giving her a shovel and pointing to a plot. Dig away, Bitch.

Mother of the year material, that one.

I was particularly taken with the Academy Award-worthy "sniff" she gave while holding back her alligator tears.

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Originally posted by rburg:
Warms the heart.

Back to the noise issue. You guys have grossly overplayed it. Many of our soldiers and Marines went to war. No, not one war, a whole host of them. I don't recall any of them having used hearing protection, nor did most use wimpy rounds until Vietnam. Those earlier boys used real guns, like .30-06, mostly. And they cleared a bunch of houses and buildings. They came home and most could hear. I'd bet auto racing was worse, but we all can still hear. While I don't want to down play the hearing loss thing, its been overplayed in recent years.

Most of us have hunted and used some pretty intense cartridges. We never considered putting on hearing protection. Those being charged by a grizzly or brown bear often relate the growling, but not the noise of the magnum rifle.

As far as allowing Lizzy to make her jailhouse interviews, I'd say its similar to giving her a shovel and pointing to a plot. Dig away, Bitch.

I was in the Marines. I wear hearing aids. Being behind a rifle or M60 is one thing, having one start firing beside you affects your hearing for days. A 3.5 rocket launcher takes it to another level.

If hearing protection was available when I was in I would have used it. My ears have been ringing for 40+ years. Today, without my hearing aids, I can not hear water running in the sink when I turn the water on.

Anyone that has been exposed to constant gunfire without hearing protection will lose some of their hearing.

Fire a rifle or pistol multiple times in an enclosed space without protection and let us know whether your hearing was affected.

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Dig away, Bitch.

Amen. I will offer free spade sharpening services for her.

One thing these discussions always demonstrate is how many people look at or anticipate incidents through very narrow filters that give them very distorted ideas of what could happen. There are far more possibilities than some of us seem to be capable of imagining.

If someone sneaks into my home and starts beating me with an iron bar as I’m sleeping in bed, my choices of reactions are going to be very limited. I probably wouldn’t have time to don my armor, put on hearing protection, retrieve a secured rifle and get it loaded, and attach a silencer—much less would I be able to do all that while lying in bed. If in the unlikely event I managed to defend myself with the handgun chambered for 357 SIG I have available, I would without a doubt further damage my already devastated hearing. But although that would be unfortunate, having a crushed skull or being tied up and set on fire would probably damage my hearing even worse.

If, on the other hand, I heard someone walking around and talking to someone else on a different floor, I could easily don armor and hearing protection and move to a better location than lying in bed—after I called the police.

If I merely hear (or think I hear) a strange noise, I would also have time to do those things (wouldn’t call the police, though) before venturing forth to investigate.

If we only think that one sort of thing can happen and that it’s going to play out exactly as we imagine, we must be prepared for some very unpleasant surprises.

As for the noise of a gunshot, the comment about soldiers in combat is absolutely correct. Can really, really loud noises or sustained really loud noises cause immediate effects? Yup. If you fire a short barreled rifle or pistol AR in a room, can you develop tinnitus and/or measurable hearing loss and/or be totally deafened for a time? Yup. Will the total deafness be permanent? Very unlikely. Otherwise there would be countless deaf ex-soldiers running around; many of us have damaged hearing to one degree or another, but we can still hear. Mostly. I was exposed to many very loud noises in Vietnam before the tinnitus became permanent, and it was only in the past few years that I really have had a hard time hearing certain things about as well as anyone else.

The dangers of hesitating to act properly in a self-defense situation have been mentioned, but they deserve reiterating. If someone hesitates to fire a gun because he’s worried about hearing damage, hearing damage could be the very last of his worries. On the other hand, if he can take measures to prevent that damage even in a self-defense situation, then why wouldn’t he? People on the Titanic put on flotation devices even as the ship was sinking underneath them.

anyone see the uncle or dad or stepdad on tv, claiming that his dead son did not deserve the extreme penalty that the good guy dealt out?

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Originally posted by bendable:
anyone see the uncle or dad or stepdad on tv, claiming that his dead son did not deserve the extreme penalty that the good guy dealt out?

Perhaps he didn't deserve such an extreme penalty, but as a wise man once said, "deserves got nothing to do with it."

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Originally posted by bendable:
claiming that his dead son did not deserve the extreme penalty

I would give $1000 to the Home for Unwed Poodles if the person doing the interview would say on live teevee, “Well, you know that if you’d done a proper job raising him, that wouldn’t have happened to him.”

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Originally posted by bendable:
anyone see the uncle or dad or stepdad on tv, claiming that his dead son did not deserve the extreme penalty that the good guy dealt out?

Here's the link to that video interview.

KTUL: Family member of teen burglary suspect killed in Wagoner County break-in speaks out

The three dead scumbags earned their fate. 100%, earned it.

And little Ms. 3XMurder Charge, earned her future.

All on them. Every last bit of "Fuck You!" the 4 of them reaped.

Whirlwind. Reaped a fucking whirlwind.

And anyone who disagrees....

It seemed to you as if the fight took a whole minute, and you say so, but a security camera shows it was actually only ten seconds, and now you look like a liar. The involved victim who had to fight for his or her very survival is the worst possible witness for measuring things in feet or inches, or counting how many shots were fired.

. Tachypsychia is likewise very common, the sense of things going into slow motion.
-Mas Ayoob

me-
firing loud guns in some circumstances will not shut down the auditory senses like it will in other loud gun situations.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by bendable:
anyone see the uncle or dad or stepdad on tv, claiming that his dead son did not deserve the extreme penalty that the good guy dealt out?

Perhaps he didn't deserve such an extreme penalty, but as a wise man once said, "deserves got nothing to do with it."

Maybe he didn't deserve to get killed, but if I step into traffic without looking, the consequences are I could get hit by a bus. I didn't deserve to get hit by the bus, it's just a possible outcome of my actions. Maybe he was a good kid who made one wrong decision, but that's all it takes, and then you gotta live with the consequences. Or not, as the case is here.

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"He could've shot them boys in the leg."

The court should tack five years onto your sentence for that remark alone.