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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:

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Callum puts up some good stuff on his English shooting site - and by the way, he is not from English shooting, he IS English shooting - that's his site name. He is not representative of a national organisation called English shooting.

He makes one error in his movie - he says that regular handguns are not permitted in the UK. In fact, and regular handgun ban only applies to mainland UK - England, Scotland and Wales. Northern Ireland, also part of the UK, has no such restrictions - any and all kinds of handguns are permitted there, and NI has a flourishing and very successful internationally-regarded IPSC team history. NI is also one of the VERY few places in Europe where CCW is authorised by the local government. Some 3000 permits, along with the gun itself, are on issue to certain members of the community whose lives are deemed to be at risk - even now.

tac

Thanks for taking the time to explain. I now have a better understanding. I appreciate that.

Also, ALL Police in Northern Ireland are armed which is very different that your regular beat cop in England or Wales. We were in Belfast and Derry in 2012 while on honeymoon and it looked like the couple of NI cops I saw on the streets had G17's on them.

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Originally posted by PASig:

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Originally posted by BBMW:

And maybe a pair of electronic muffs should be stored next to the gun. I don't know how practical it would be to put them on in a SD situation, but if it allows, it might be worth it.

Trust me, the LAST thing you're worrying about in a real-world SHTF situation is getting some ear muffs on. Just ain't going to happen, plus you can't hear what you need to hear, electronic or not.

When I fire off my 7mm-08 or 30-06 in the quiet woods, I barely remember even hearing the BOOM since I'm so focused on that deer.

And why is that? How many real world SHTFs have you been in?

And considering that modern Electronic Hearing Protection can amplify noise (i.e., you can hear people further off, what they are saying, etc), it would be a nice advantage.

In fact, my rifle to grab in case of hogs / yotes / yutes has a pair tucked around the rifle stock.

Concerning a suppressor, only if it's on an SBR, but like para mentions, a full sized rifle plus a 6-8" suppressor, not ideal IMO.

I know I know, in the movies everyone's hearts are beating, the wimmins be yelling, and sweat is beading up.

But in reality, it takes about 2 seconds to don electronic hear protection.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
And why is that? How many real world SHTFs have you been in?

And considering that modern Electronic Hearing Protection can amplify noise (i.e., you can hear people further off, what they are saying, etc), it would be a nice advantage.

In fact, my rifle to grab in case of hogs / yotes / yutes has a pair tucked around the rifle stock.

Concerning a suppressor, only if it's on an SBR, but like para mentions, a full sized rifle plus a 6-8" suppressor, not ideal IMO.

I know I know, in the movies everyone's hearts are beating, the wimmins be yelling, and sweat is beading up.

But in reality, it takes about 2 seconds to don electronic hear protection.

C'mon. Someone is breaking into your house and coming your way and you could be dead in a few seconds...you're NOT worrying about your damn hearing at that very moment. You're in survival mode and hearing be dammed.

you might want to investigate something like USCCA - entry level coverage is about $150 a year and it has a lot to offer

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:

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Callum puts up some good stuff on his English shooting site - and by the way, he is not from English shooting, he IS English shooting - that's his site name. He is not representative of a national organisation called English shooting.

He makes one error in his movie - he says that regular handguns are not permitted in the UK. In fact, and regular handgun ban only applies to mainland UK - England, Scotland and Wales. Northern Ireland, also part of the UK, has no such restrictions - any and all kinds of handguns are permitted there, and NI has a flourishing and very successful internationally-regarded IPSC team history. NI is also one of the VERY few places in Europe where CCW is authorised by the local government. Some 3000 permits, along with the gun itself, are on issue to certain members of the community whose lives are deemed to be at risk - even now.

tac

Thanks for taking the time to explain. I now have a better understanding. I appreciate that.

You are entirely welcome, Sir.

tac

That very well might be the case. I'm certainly not discounting the possibility. But with good pre-planning and good tactics, you should have some time (more than single digit seconds) to respond.

Also, this kid did what someone really shouldn't do, which is go out into the house looking for the bad guys. Get to the gun (or have a pistol on you), hunker down in whatever cover you can find, and call the cops.

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Originally posted by PASig:

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
And why is that? How many real world SHTFs have you been in?

And considering that modern Electronic Hearing Protection can amplify noise (i.e., you can hear people further off, what they are saying, etc), it would be a nice advantage.

In fact, my rifle to grab in case of hogs / yotes / yutes has a pair tucked around the rifle stock.

Concerning a suppressor, only if it's on an SBR, but like para mentions, a full sized rifle plus a 6-8" suppressor, not ideal IMO.

I know I know, in the movies everyone's hearts are beating, the wimmins be yelling, and sweat is beading up.

But in reality, it takes about 2 seconds to don electronic hear protection.

C'mon. Someone is breaking into your house and coming your way and you could be dead in a few seconds...you're NOT worrying about your damn hearing at that very moment. You're in survival mode and hearing be dammed.

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Originally posted by PASig:

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
And why is that? How many real world SHTFs have you been in?

And considering that modern Electronic Hearing Protection can amplify noise (i.e., you can hear people further off, what they are saying, etc), it would be a nice advantage.

In fact, my rifle to grab in case of hogs / yotes / yutes has a pair tucked around the rifle stock.

Concerning a suppressor, only if it's on an SBR, but like para mentions, a full sized rifle plus a 6-8" suppressor, not ideal IMO.

I know I know, in the movies everyone's hearts are beating, the wimmins be yelling, and sweat is beading up.

But in reality, it takes about 2 seconds to don electronic hear protection.

C'mon. Someone is breaking into your house and coming your way and you could be dead in a few seconds...you're NOT worrying about your damn hearing at that very moment. You're in survival mode and hearing be dammed.

If you plan on treating every smash in the night like a shit show, it's gonna be a shit show.

If you have a level head and plan, you'll likely treat it like a plan and execute much better.

Do what you want to do, it really doesn't matter to me at all though.

Personally, if I'm going to the trouble of getting a rifle, hearing pro isn't hard or time consuming to put on, because I've planned to do that, among other things. Then again, I'm not just getting hearing pro for protection, but for a hearing advantage, should I need it.

Oh, and "c'mon" isn't a persuasive argument, nor is it factual.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Four feet of rifle and silencer you're holding in front of you, in a narrow hallway. No thank you.

this is a good point. If one wants to use an AR in this situation, make it a pistol version or an SBR.

I can see both side of the argument. Few months ago, my security alarm went off at 3:30 am and it was the most loud and dreadful sound, even during daytime. I was in deep hibernation, waken up, not sure of day or night or WTF was happening, but did stumble and fell off the bed, tripped up by the thick blanket, grabbed my Glock off the bed side safe (since I have small kid) and hurried to get to their bedroom, quickly clearing and crossing the stairwell. All the while the loud and dreadful alarm was blaring, house was 90% dark, saved for the Nest alarm night light, and heart going 1000 bpm.

It was a disconcerting experience but a learning one.

Getaway driver doesn't 'feel responsible' for killings

Yeah, you be sure and say that to the jury, Braniac. Cowardly bitch, sitting on your ass while your fellow thieves died. He should've shot your dumb, disgusting ass, too.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Getaway driver doesn't 'feel responsible' for killings

Yeah, you be sure and say that to the jury, Braniac. Cowardly bitch, sitting on your ass while your fellow thieves died. He should've shot your dumb, disgusting ass, too.

Hey gurl, we got something in common, of course I wasn't in the same state at the time, so there's that...

Of course she doesn't. Nothing she has done in life so far indicates any level of responsibility, why would she start now?

Everything this twat has done indicates she's a freakin' genius.

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Originally posted by BBMW:
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Really, for a "house" rifle, I'd be looking at a bullpup.

... I tread the AUG path.


This thread reminded me that I haven't changed back to the Primary Arms red dot/LaRue LT751/Nitecore
for HD. So thanks!

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I think an AR pistol with a suppressor is a very good choice.

This is what I wrote. A 10.5 or 11.5 AR pistol with a can is as short as an AR rifle. Plus the lower velocity in this case is probably a good thing. A bullpup with a can also a good choice.

These threads are fun. Which weapon is the most suitable to miss with. Suppressors and hearing protection. UR GONNA GO JAIL and the like.

Have a rifle. Have a light mounted on the rifle. Have bullets.

Why complicate things?

That simple little plan seems to have worked really well for the kid in this OP.

Handguns reign supreme for home defense. How are you going to point your rifle and hold a cell phone to your ear at the same time? You need that other hand free for phones, opening doors etc. A proper sling will aid in these respects, but the rifle is still at a disadvantage when compared to the handgun.

Also, the handgun is ready without any noisy preparation. I don't know of anyone who keeps an AR15 with a round chambered. Charging your rifle is not a quiet operation. The handgun, however, is ready to go. Just pick it up.

This is not to say that I don't keep an AR15 for home defense, but rifles have their drawbacks.
If your alarm is going off, it doesn't matter because the cat's out of the bag, but if stealth is called for at the moment, an AR15 is not going to cut it unless you leave a round chambered, and that is something I am just not going to do.

And then, there's maneuvering in confined spaces. The disadvantage of a rifle in confined spaces is apparent.

Yes, that would do the job nicely.

I'm a little intrigued by by the Kel-Tec RDB, but it is a Kel-Tec. It's an interesting design. I don't know if I could deal with that.

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Originally posted by cjevans:

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Originally posted by BBMW:
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Really, for a "house" rifle, I'd be looking at a bullpup.

... I tread the AUG path.

This thread reminded me that I haven't changed back to the Primary Arms red dot/LaRue LT751/Nitecore
for HD. So thanks!

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Originally posted by jljones:
That simple little plan seems to have worked really well for the kid in this OP.

Agreed, a simple plan executed violently rules the day.

Elizabeth doesn't "feel responsible for their murders"?

Well, sweetheart, it's all about how you feel. I imagine they'll turn you loose since you don't "feel responsible".