For someone who SPRAYED he sure got lucky with a single shot to each torso. Damn liberal press.

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His bullets thudded into the walls and refrigerator

Oh oh. May be needing Appliance Brad's advice soon.

A can of spackling should fix the walls. Bur new fridges are expensive. Hope he had insurance. The inaccurate press would blanch if he sued the familes of the dead. Just not fair, they'd say. Even maybe they've suffered enough.

As for Elizabeth or Lizzy, I wonder if any of her gang was the father of any of her kids. Or if the kids had the same father. Guess they're off to new homes (foster) or worse still, relatives.

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Originally posted by fischtown7:
For someone who SPRAYED he sure got lucky with a single shot to each torso. Damn liberal press.

And an AR-15 is NOT an "assault rifle"!

flashguy

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For someone who SPRAYED he sure got lucky with a single shot to each torso. Damn liberal press.

Look cut them some slack. It is the UK, they don't know much about guns. Someone on SF posted a video on UK gun laws. It makes you feel glad you do not live there.

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Originally posted by parabellum:


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...ned-perpetrator.html

'His bullets thudded into the walls and refrigerator and also killed the three youths with each suffering a single bullet wound to the upper torso."

Makes it sound like he was trying to kill the walls & refrigerator, with the "youths" being collateral damage.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:

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For someone who SPRAYED he sure got lucky with a single shot to each torso. Damn liberal press.

Look cut them some slack. It is the UK, they don't know much about guns. Someone on SF posted a video on UK gun laws. It makes you feel glad you do not live there.

Member tacfoley might have something to say about that.

Look, there are a great majority of Americans who don't know jack about guns either. The laws in Connecticut, New Jersey, Massachusetts, etc aren't much better than they are in the UK.

And I don't think I've ever seen the US media get a single thing right when it comes to reporting on anything firearm related. It's frankly more of a liberal, antiigun mindset than a strictly British one.

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And I don't think I've ever seen the US media get a single thing right when it comes to reporting on anything firearm related. It's frankly more of a liberal, antiigun mindset than a strictly British one.

Oh I agree with that to a large degree. The liberal media does not write for American Rifleman.{sarcasm}. I think you misunderstood my post. You may wish to view the SF video that explains the draconian gun laws in the UK. It is quite interesting and it would explain why your average British citizen would not be very familiar with firearms much less a British journalist. In fact I believe the SF member that posted it was the one you refer to. A group of British engineers were at a local range a month ago. They spent several hundred dollars on gun rentals, marveled at the selection and spoke of the gun restrictions in their country. They were former military and talked about how much they enjoyed visiting with our laid back gun laws.

This is the video. It is well done and explains the gun laws well.
https://sigforum.com/eve/forums...0601935/m/4770076024

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:

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For someone who SPRAYED he sure got lucky with a single shot to each torso. Damn liberal press.

Look cut them some slack. It is the UK, they don't know much about guns. Someone on SF posted a video on UK gun laws. It makes you feel glad you do not live there.

Amen.

tac, who lives in the UK

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:

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And I don't think I've ever seen the US media get a single thing right when it comes to reporting on anything firearm related. It's frankly more of a liberal, antiigun mindset than a strictly British one.

Oh I agree with that to a large degree. The liberal media does not write for American Rifleman.{sarcasm}. I think you misunderstood my post. You may wish to view the SF video that explains the draconian gun laws in the UK. It is quite interesting and it would explain why your average British citizen would not be very familiar with firearms much less a British journalist. In fact I believe the SF member that posted it was the one you refer to. A group of British engineers were at a local range a month ago. They spent several hundred dollars on gun rentals, marveled at the selection and spoke of the gun restrictions in their country. They were former military and talked about how much they enjoyed visiting with our laid back gun laws.

Sir, there is absolutely NOTHING to stop them joining a gun club here in UK and complying with the national laws regarding the ownership and use of firearms. Assuming that they pass the background check - y'know, like YOU have to do?

Most gun clubs have MONTHLY show and tell days where members can take their pals/relatives/co-workers along and introduce them to shooting the way it HAS to happen over here because of the restrictive laws.

I don't whinge about the US laws that prevent me from gun ownership during my months of the year I spend in the USA, I just accept that the USA is a different country and leave it at that. It's time that you all accepted that premise with regard to the restrictive laws in the UK - that's the way they are, and not about to change.

tac

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
This is the video. It is well done and explains the gun laws well.
https://sigforum.com/eve/forums...0601935/m/4770076024

Callum puts up some good stuff on his English shooting site - and by the way, he is not from English shooting, he IS English shooting - that's his site name. He is not representative of a national organisation called English shooting.

He makes one error in his movie - he says that regular handguns are not permitted in the UK. In fact, and regular handgun ban only applies to mainland UK - England, Scotland and Wales. Northern Ireland, also part of the UK, has no such restrictions - any and all kinds of handguns are permitted there, and NI has a flourishing and very successful internationally-regarded IPSC team history. NI is also one of the VERY few places in Europe where CCW is authorised by the local government. Some 3000 permits, along with the gun itself, are on issue to certain members of the community whose lives are deemed to be at risk - even now.

tac

this story made me want to find out about the .223 as a home defense choice.

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Originally posted by bendable: this story made me want to find out about the .223 as a home defense choice.

Three perps shot.

Three perps dead.

I'd say that the .223 works just fine.

tac

.223, or more technically 5.56x45mm NATO, is the standard tactical round of the entire western world at this point. And the non-western world uses something similar. So it should work.

I sure would like a can on mine though if I'm shooting it in a hallway. And yes, deaf and alive is the better alternative.

I think an AR pistol with a suppressor is a very good choice. Especially when the thugs start showing up in groups like in this instance.

Four feet of rifle and silencer you're holding in front of you, in a narrow hallway. No thank you.

Really, for a "house" rifle, I'd be looking at a bullpup. And IWI X95 would do very nicely. All the barrel length of a 16" AR, but more than 6" shorter. Also, when IWI designed it, it was explicitly meant for urban warfare, including house clearing.

And maybe a pair of electronic muffs should be stored next to the gun. I don't know how practical it would be to put them on in a SD situation, but if it allows, it might be worth it.

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Originally posted by BBMW:

And maybe a pair of electronic muffs should be stored next to the gun. I don't know how practical it would be to put them on in a SD situation, but if it allows, it might be worth it.

Trust me, the LAST thing you're worrying about in a real-world SHTF situation is getting some ear muffs on. Just ain't going to happen, plus you can't hear what you need to hear, electronic or not.

When I fire off my 7mm-08 or 30-06 in the quiet woods, I barely remember even hearing the BOOM since I'm so focused on that deer.

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Callum puts up some good stuff on his English shooting site - and by the way, he is not from English shooting, he IS English shooting - that's his site name. He is not representative of a national organisation called English shooting.

He makes one error in his movie - he says that regular handguns are not permitted in the UK. In fact, and regular handgun ban only applies to mainland UK - England, Scotland and Wales. Northern Ireland, also part of the UK, has no such restrictions - any and all kinds of handguns are permitted there, and NI has a flourishing and very successful internationally-regarded IPSC team history. NI is also one of the VERY few places in Europe where CCW is authorised by the local government. Some 3000 permits, along with the gun itself, are on issue to certain members of the community whose lives are deemed to be at risk - even now.

tac

Thanks for taking the time to explain. I now have a better understanding. I appreciate that.