I personally liked the part where he talked about how they all loved him and his money for close to 30 years, how he met their families. Until he chose to run as a republican, then they stated he was and had always been a monster.

The room got pretty quiet at that point.

Trump's first rally of the day is in Fletcher, NC. He should be on stage in about 30 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOBZfyC-AzU

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When it comes to Trump, you are either with us or against us. It is that simple. He is the best shot we will ever get at attacking and overcoming the media bias AND winning.

This is the simple point that some seem unable to grasp. They just can't get their brain around: There are two, but there can only be one. It is either Trump, or, if not Trump, it will be Hillary. If you are not fond of Trump, how do you feel about President Hillary Clinton?

It is only with the passage of time that the extent of corruption becomes clear. Think of John F. Kennedy's reputation when he was alive versus now.

Just imagine the Clintons.

Lee Atwater was badass. That is all. Carry on.

In the last debate, Clinton attacked Trump because 17 intelligence agencies declared the email hacking to be from Russia.

I admit that statement surprised me.

Have since read several reports that since Clapper as DNI heads all intelligence agencies, and it was Clapper who said:


"We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia’s senior-most officials could have authorized these activities."

So Clinton makes this impressive sounding statement that 17 intelligence agencies all came to the same conclusion.

Now the Russians are almost undoubtedly involved in some way. But this is classic Clinton distortion to paint reality a different color.

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Originally posted by ryan81986:
I personally liked the part where he talked about how they all loved him and his money for close to 30 years, how he met their families. Until he chose to run as a republican, then they stated he was and had always been a monster.

The room got pretty quiet at that point.

I didn't watch the event, but I can imagine. All the people that have attempted to surround themselves around DT, and the rich elite like him. Now when he might not continue to play their game, he's somehow a monster.

'Fair weather friend' much folks? The truth can be a powerful thing.

The rich & powerful NEVER willingly give up either. Most of them wouldn't be able to stomach living on national median income, without their big houses, maids, German luxury sedans & Range Rovers, and swanky parties.

BOSS

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Originally posted by sdy:
In the last debate, Clinton attacked Trump because 17 intelligence agencies declared the email hacking to be from Russia.

I admit that statement surprised me.

Have since read several reports that since Clapper as DNI heads all intelligence agencies, and it was Clapper who said:


"We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia’s senior-most officials could have authorized these activities."

So Clinton makes this impressive sounding statement that 17 intelligence agencies all came to the same conclusion.

Now the Russians are almost undoubtedly involved in some way. But this is classic Clinton distortion to paint reality a different color.

Years ago, I found a site that tracked some world hacking activity in real time. It is hard to see how one could simply blame the Russians.

HERE is a 2014 article about it. I couldn't get the Norse.com map to load this morning.

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Originally posted by sdy:
In the last debate, Clinton attacked Trump because 17 intelligence agencies declared the email hacking to be from Russia.

I admit that statement surprised me.

Have since read several reports that since Clapper as DNI heads all intelligence agencies, and it was Clapper who said:


"We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia’s senior-most officials could have authorized these activities."

So Clinton makes this impressive sounding statement that 17 intelligence agencies all came to the same conclusion.

Now the Russians are almost undoubtedly involved in some way. But this is classic Clinton distortion to paint reality a different color.

I thought it interesting in the third debate that when DJT called her out on some of the emails, or rather their contents, she didn't respond at all. Instead responding with how the emails supposedly came to light.

She also had zero response to his question as to why she couldn't invest even a tenth of her own money into her campaign as he has.

Scott Foval is one of the key scum bags identified in the OKeefe videos.

In 2008, Foval reported on voter suppression tactics for the Huffington Post .

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Originally posted by ryan81986:
I personally liked the part where he talked about how they all loved him and his money for close to 30 years, how he met their families. Until he chose to run as a republican, then they stated he was and had always been a monster.

The room got pretty quiet at that point.

I work every day with a group of real estate investors. I can tell you with zero hesitation that they are watching the way the winds are blowing. Some of them might talk a good story against Trump or the GOP, but if he looks to have a shot at winning, and he offers something that will benefit them personally, they'll bubble him on their ballot. People with a lot of money have 'no' political allegiance to any party. They'll do anything possible to ally themselves with whatever will put more money in their pockets.

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Originally posted by sdy:
Scott Foval is one of the key scum bags identified in the OKeefe videos.

In 2008, Foval reported on voter suppression tactics for the Huffington Post

Yeah, no media bias there. Actually this goes way beyond bias to out and out media corruption. I'm starting to think the media, via they continuing behavior, should lose their first amendment protections.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by sdy:
Scott Foval is one of the key scum bags identified in the OKeefe videos.

In 2008, Foval reported on voter suppression tactics for the Huffington Post

Yeah, no media bias there. Actually this goes way beyond bias to out and out media corruption. I'm starting to think the media, via they continuing behavior, should lose their first amendment protections.

The 1st. Amendment isn't the problem. What needs to happen is that it should be MUCH easier to litigate against a media entity for slander, libel, defamation, etc. As it is now, they face virtually no realistic threat of a financial hit from blatantly fabricated, erroneous reporting. Make it cost them a small fortune each and every time and it'll end very quickly (or, the media sources that continue to offend will quickly disappear.)

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Originally posted by Mainframe Coder:

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by sdy:
Scott Foval is one of the key scum bags identified in the OKeefe videos.

In 2008, Foval reported on voter suppression tactics for the Huffington Post

Yeah, no media bias there. Actually this goes way beyond bias to out and out media corruption. I'm starting to think the media, via they continuing behavior, should lose their first amendment protections.

The 1st. Amendment isn't the problem. What needs to happen is that it should be MUCH easier to litigate against a media entity for slander, libel, defamation, etc. As it is now, they face virtually no realistic threat of a financial hit from blatantly fabricated, erroneous reporting. Make it cost them a small fortune each and every time and it'll end very quickly (or, the media sources that continue to offend will quickly disappear.)

But I would argue (and I'm not an attorney), you can't litigate against them so long as they can wrap themselves in the first amendment. They were provided 'special' protections in the first amendment for a reason, and they've completely violated the reasons for providing those protections. They've virtually weaponized the first amendment to be used against their perceived enemies and in pursuit of their own agendas.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by Mainframe Coder:

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by sdy:
Scott Foval is one of the key scum bags identified in the OKeefe videos.

In 2008, Foval reported on voter suppression tactics for the Huffington Post

Yeah, no media bias there. Actually this goes way beyond bias to out and out media corruption. I'm starting to think the media, via they continuing behavior, should lose their first amendment protections.

The 1st. Amendment isn't the problem. What needs to happen is that it should be MUCH easier to litigate against a media entity for slander, libel, defamation, etc. As it is now, they face virtually no realistic threat of a financial hit from blatantly fabricated, erroneous reporting. Make it cost them a small fortune each and every time and it'll end very quickly (or, the media sources that continue to offend will quickly disappear.)

But I would argue (and I'm not an attorney), you can't litigate against them so long as they can wrap themselves in the first amendment. They were provided 'special' protections in the first amendment for a reason, and they've completely violated the reasons for providing those protections.

There is absolutely nothing in the 1st Amendment that protects them from liability for their content. The 1st just allows them the "freedom" to produce such content. The laws that currently protect them from liability for their content came much later and that is where the change must occur.

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Originally posted by Big-deal

I would argue (and I'm not an attorney), you can't litigate against them so long as they can wrap themselves in the first amendment. They were provided 'special' protections in the first amendment for a reason, and they've completely violated the reasons for providing those protections. They've virtually weaponized the first amendment to be used against their perceived enemies and in pursuit of their own agendas.

The 1st Amendment only affects governmental acts to abridge freedom of speech, as is true of all the other Bill of Rights.

Generally, the press can publish as they please, subject to libel and slander laws, to promote public discussion of important issues. They are protected somewhat by requiring that malice be proven in cases brought by public figures.

Those rules are being contested now by the woman who was featured in the Rolling Stone article about the rape which never occurred. The "victim" told the reporter about certain conduct of a woman, not the victim. The article has been acknowledged as not factual. The woman is suing, and the argument is whether the reporter was malicious in not checking, verifying, the victim's story, as I presently understand it.

I just don't understand why Trumps campaign doesn't hit her back with questions on HilLIARy's campaigns comments that the emails are not real or have been altered.

When she says [ronin mode on]"the russians did it"[/ roninmodeoff] why not hit her with

"Ok so you claim it's the russians, you say they are altered, and thats somehow the problem.
But its not the real problem..

YOU had an unprotected server, your decision to have an unauthorized unprotected personal server for emails is what allowed someone to hack and get copies, If you had followed the rules and the law The Russians as you claim would have nothing to expose. But you did so quit blaming others for your bad decision.


So lets see the emails, oh wait you deleted them, you did keep the proper copies of all emails per law, correct? Convienent that you claim they are altered but you can't prove it because you deleted emails while under a subponea from congress.

I guess if you hadn't thumbed your nose at congress and illegally deleted your server you could prove if they were altered or not..

So release the digital or hard copies so release them as proof, we'll all compare them to the ones from Wikileaks in question so we can see who's lying and who's telling the truth"

I do not believe there is a single truly-unbiased and near-universally trustworthy news source, professional or amateur, whether conventional or social media.

Furthermore, the biases (however they manifest) are getting stronger and more blatant, with major players in the MSM leading that charge.

There is no fix, I think, beyond ensuring everyone knows these harsh realities, and beyond seeking multiple sources, aggregating data yourself, and discussing it like we do here.

Those who seek or expect simple, easy, conveniently accessible truths are in for a world of pain and bullshit. Major media and news outlets are all-but purely-biased-entertainment.

And the days of tuning into a single trusted source for accurate news and truth is over. Increased freedom (like our 1st Amendment acknowledges) comes at a cost.

And that cost is increased bullshit and a generally worse signal to noise ratio.

Fletcher, NC:

"Lock her up!"

For 5 minutes straight.

The Democrat party has been like this at the national level going back at least as far as George Mitchell and Jim Wright, probably further. They are all street fighters willing to claw, bite, groin kick, throw sand or whatever is necessary while republicans like Bush, McCain, Romney, Dole, et al act like they are in a boxing match with rules and a referee. In this case, the referee is the press and is more than happy to throw a leg behind the republican and trip them, or drop a folding chair over their head.

You are right about Trump. For all his faults, he is the savvy street fighter the republicans, and Americans, need.

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Originally posted by MitchbSC:

It's really time to lose the pretense of civility. Hillary's private positions and the PV tapes reveal they are out to curb-stomp America to get their utopia.


Trump is the right man at the right time.

I was off today watching my child so my wife could go shopping and had CNN on for a few minutes which is usually all I can take anymore of these disgusting Clinton cheerleaders and a new anti-Hillary came on:

Basket of Deplorables
Bernie voters living in their parents basements
Superpredators

All her quotes in her own voice, I was shocked they would even play it!

Trump is coming to Newtown, PA (Bucks County) tonight but I can't make it.