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Originally posted by Efranzen:

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Originally posted by kimber1911:
Wow!
Hillary claimed to be Methodist at the Alfred E. Smith Dinner.

Yet she stated that salvation is gained by both faith and good works.

This is so clearly against what Methodist believe.
It is at the core of their believes that Salvation is not gained through good works.

To repent of sin and trust in Jesus Christ are the only requirements for one to receive that forgiveness and reconciliation made possible by Jesus' death.

Salvation is not gained by good works.
This is at the core of the Methodist beliefs.

She is a sheep in wolfs clothing.
Hillary you need to beef up on the Methodist doctrine, before you claim to be one.
What the Methodist believe.

She is United Methodist. It is a core belief of the United Methodist church that faith and good works belong together.

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United Methodists insist that faith and good works belong together. What we believe must be confirmed by what we do. Personal salvation must be expressed in ministry and mission in the world. We believe that Christian doctrine and Christian ethics are inseparable, that faith should inspire service. The integration of personal piety and social holiness has been a hallmark of our tradition. We affirm the biblical precept that "faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead” (James 2:17).4

http://www.umc.org/what-we-bel...ur-wesleyan-heritage

If she really believes that, ought she not get busy and try some "good works?" At her age, she's getting close to the end of the run. I've long been under the impression that Christianity is incompatible with socialism, and certainly with it's more fervent version, communism.

My observation is that most people are mostly phonies in matters of religion, treating their church as more a big social club, an excuse to hold pancake breakfasts and circle meetings, social Christians. Their "beliefs" are flexible, and if their best friends decide the preacher is a jerk and move to another denomination, off they go, too. The differences between denominations are mostly over semantics, whether to use "holy spirit" rather than "holy ghost." The devil is in the details, I suppose. This is not really criticism; few things are more tedious than having to live amongst "true believers."

We have had one Catholic President, 3 Methodists, 4 Unitarians, 2 Quakers, 7 Presbyterians, 11 Episcopalians, 4 Baptists, 2 Dutch Reformed, 3 Congregationalists, 1 Deist, 3 unspecified Protestants, and 2 unspecified.

My fear at the beginning was that Trump would be friendly towards Clinton. He smiled but he hit her hard.

I have read that some of the writers of fiction books develop great detail about their characters in their working notes. They strive very hard to make each character always behave in the story in a way that is consistent with the detailed template.

That way even though the story may be obvious utter fiction, the reader feels comfortable because it feels natural and the way people actually behave.

Same here. Trump has (correctly) painted a picture of a terrible Clinton. He can't act like that picture is false.

I have been glad they did not shake hands at the debates.

This isn't an election. This really is political and cultural war.

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Originally posted by rduckwor:

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The rest of it was nasty and made him look like an jerk.

He is a jerk; HE'S OUR JERK and he's going to kick the democrats' ass in 18 days.

RMD

Thank you ! Im glad he roasted her ass. I did not listen to her part of the vid. Take it to them Mr. Trump.

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Originally posted by sdy:
My fear at the beginning was that Trump would be friendly towards Clinton. He smiled but he hit her hard.

I have read that some of the writers of fiction books develop great detail about their characters in their working notes. They strive very hard to make each character always behave in the story in a way that is consistent with the detailed template.

That way even though the story may be obvious utter fiction, the reader feels comfortable because it feels natural and the way people actually behave.

Same here. Trump has (correctly) painted a picture of a terrible Clinton. He can't act like that picture is false.

I have been glad they did not shake hands at the debates.

This isn't an election. This really is political and cultural war.

For far too long, the republicans have attacked these elections as being a different side of the same coin. And, as some here have shown, they are squeamish over what actual battle looks like? They just don't have the stomach for winning.

Which is why they have had their ideal candidates like Sparkplug McCain and Mittens Romney. Yep, both of them were placeholders. The held the spot on the ticket, but they wanted to be viewed as "nice guys", even at the expense of winning. I have zero fucks to give about Trump being a nice guy. And quite frankly, if "being nice" is the qualification for President when it comes to doing battle, this Republic might not be able to be saved.

Actual battle is not nice. I think people have forgotten this. And, if Trump loses on November 8th, it will be at the hands of people like Glenn Beck, Zenmeister, and Domcintosh. The ones who put their own selfish bullshit ahead of what the country needs. The choice is clear, and only idiots like the above can't see it. They believe what they read in the media, and deny that the media is complicit and corrupt. They only have a hard on for Trump to the point their subversion is a vote for Hillary. But their passive aggressive little asses stick their fingers in their ears, and fragilely become offended, or they become enraged with little or no self control when confronted. The mark of what we have seen of Hillary supporters the nation over. Hmmmm, who'd have thought it.

This is ours to win or lose, boys.

Danger. Polls.

I was going to post this observation the evening after the debate. Breitbart's poll form was hosed. It was not responding. I declined to post because Bossman had enough polls.

Breitbart confirms today foreign infiltration voting pro-Clinton.

Danger over. I will shutup now about polls.

edit: I was typing as MitchSC posted above


After the last debate, the Breitbart site held a poll about who won. Very surprisingly, Clinton took a big lead in the Breitbart poll.

The head of Breitbart is a high level advisor to Trump.

So Breitbart took a look at the voting.

Breitbart can now reveal that the poll was actually infiltrated by foreign IP addresses, with thousands of votes coming from countries such as Romania, Germany and South Korea, who overwhelmingly voted for Hillary Clinton as the winner of the final presidential debate.

Yet despite the influx of Clinton bots, who managed to skew the poll into suggesting Clinton had a 6-point lead, Trump has since overtaken her, regaining an 8-point lead in a poll of nearly 300,000 people (and bots.)

When only taking into account votes from American IP addresses, Trump has a lead of 71 per cent to Clinton’s 29 per cent.

http://www.breitbart.com/hilla...linton-infiltration/

https://techcrunch.com/2016/10...fy-suffering-outage/

Twatter, Boston Globe, NYT and a few other sites got hit with a DDOS attack. Wonder if it's random or hackers punching back after Assange was cut off.

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We have had one Catholic President, 3 Methodists, 4 Unitarians, 2 Quakers, 7 Presbyterians, 11 Episcopalians, 4 Baptists, 2 Dutch Reformed, 3 Congregationalists, 1 Deist, 3 unspecified Protestants, and 2 unspecified.

You left out: 1 Muslim

^^^^

The problem with the Republican Party is that its membership thinks if they can just find the right candidate the media will be fair and then they will win on issues. The media will never be fair to someone unless a "D" is next to their name.

Republicans need to man up. Democrats fight tooth and nail to win. They come together and support their candidate no matter what. I admire their unity. Unlike the GOP they are not chocked full of pussies, cucks and holier than thou assholes who take their ball and go home when their godilocks candidate loses in the primaries.

When it comes to Trump, you are either with us or against us. It is that simple. He is the best shot we will ever get at attacking and overcoming the media bias AND winning.

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Originally posted by braillediver:

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Originally posted by rduckwor:
HE'S OUR JERK and he's going to kick the democrats' ass in 18 days.

RMD

+1 Trump is as American as Apple Pie. We're not famous in the world for being pussies like obama. We're famous for being rude, arrogant, determined, Proud and Successful- Like Donald Trump.

Stolen from elsewhere: "That bitch would put you in a box car and ship you to the gas chambers for standing in the way of the progressive agenda if she thought she'd live through trying ."

It's really time to lose the pretense of civility. Hillary's private positions and the PV tapes reveal they are out to curb-stomp America to get their utopia.

I was a bit shocked watching it live. A few here reminded us that this dinner is often like this. I watched it again. Trump's speech was beautifully crafted. Funny, then lays out a case against the biggest domestic enemy this nation has faced in 50+ years, and then a call to come together without the utopia crap. It was great he gave this to an audience of former friends who have turned on him.

Trump is the right man at the right time.

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Originally posted by stickman428:
The problem with the Republican Party is that its membership thinks if they can just find the right candidate the media will be fair and then they will win on issues. The media will never be fair to someone unless a "D" is next to their name.


When it comes to Trump, you are either with us or against us.
It is that simple.
He is the best shot we will ever get at attacking and overcoming the media bias AND winning.

Pretty much all true but nothing we don't all know.
I don't know if he is our best choice "ever" as I never want to give up hope.

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Originally posted by Bigboreshooter:

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We have had one Catholic President, 3 Methodists, 4 Unitarians, 2 Quakers, 7 Presbyterians, 11 Episcopalians, 4 Baptists, 2 Dutch Reformed, 3 Congregationalists, 1 Deist, 3 unspecified Protestants, and 2 unspecified.

You left out: 1 Muslim

I did not.

I agree with jljones and will add this...

Its also about being selfish. The establishemnt (R)s for way too long have been looking at this thru the lens of being fearful of upsetting thier own gigs. They were willing to hold their nose and play the (D) game of destruction under the guise of "Oh, it wont be THAT bad, we can deal with it, and my little piece of graft will be fine." Well we have got to the point where its plain and obvious the (D)s have not only played them as fools, but have unzipped their trenchcoats to reveal who they really are. Its too late for the (R)s to stand up (if they ever had the courage to in the first place) so its game time folks.

I still believe our man is going to win. However, if by "crook" he does not...I cannot see how she or the left is going to effectively govern. The only way I see is by force (soft force). There is a LARGE majority of folks that have now been emboldened and will push right back. The geinie is out of the bottle in many ways now.

Hang on.

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Actual battle is not nice. I think people have forgotten this.

I agree, though it's unclear as to whether or not the GOP either forgot it or simply chose to not engage in friendly fire of their own ruling class kind in this and recent elections, but the people sure seem to be waking up, and Trump seems on board, and that's fine by me.

Sure, there's tact, there's diplomacy, there are times and places where being blunt and aggressive wouldn't help, but dinners like last night are exactly the sort of place where he should have let loose, and did, and more intense and jokingly than during the debates.

I think it was the right decision, and the correct forum, and she deserved much worse. Truth is, with a record and history as bad as hers, with a person as vile as she, you can't even accurately describe it without getting nasty, and she's been lucky, even last night...

Did you catch the part when Hillary mentioned about Obama being a Muslim?

I was all like, you absolute maniac! He burnt that mother down, roasted the whole joint. Hillary conjured up all the black magic she could just to appear human, and ended up turning the gun on herself more than anything. And yeah, she outted Akbar Hussein Bin Jihadi Obama too

For those talking about the Republicans not knowing how to fight.....it wasn't always that way.

In a much better day, the GOP was always the party that was considered the best at strategy, leverage, and unity. We were the best fighters and knew how to get dirty when necessary. There have been some GREAT surrogate fighters in our history. The last, great one was a man named Lee Atwater (most today would have no clue who he was or what he did.) When it was time to sling mud, or destroy an opponent's credibility (and their life along with it, if necessary), there was no one who was ever any better than Lee.

The GOP has become an emasculated, sissified party that has no interest in fighting for anything anymore. Politicians calling themselves Republicans have become too comfortable, too hooked on the political payoffs, too interested in building their own kingdoms and not at all interested in doing what's best for the country. Many have just given up and given in. In summary, we became just like the Democrats.

Lee Atwater had no idea how to give up. Our party didn't either back in the day. We were fighters, dirty if needed, and we did whatever it took to win. That party no longer exists. Trump may well win this election but it will have nearly zero to do with help from the GOP. He is a man without a party. So be it.

For those worried about Trump's performance and booing at the Al Smith dinner...
don't forget that the audience were rich establishment folks that attended.

His speech was not aimed at them.

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For those worried about Trump's performance and booing at the Al Smith dinner...
don't forget that the audience were rich establishment folks that attended.

His speech was not aimed at them.

I thought he was great. Couple of lead balloons. But still great. He had some good writers and solid delivery.