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Originally posted by Ackks:

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Exactly. There are many errors in this agenda-driven map. If the election were today, my take is that Trump would win with 275 EC votes. Obviously, that leaves little room for error. There are a handful of states that will be critical but Utah was decided a long time ago.

Which blue ones on the map do you see swinging? CO or Michigan? Philly is going to be a big problem with PA. How do you make up ground when 110% of districts are voting blue?

Colorado will vote for Trump. I conceded Pennsylvania a long time ago. If Trump wins it, that's a huge bonus and probably guarantees victory. Trump will win: NV, UT, AZ, IA, OH, NC, GA, FL. He may win NH and MN but doesn't have to. He will win part of ME. On my map, he currently has 275 votes. Of all I just wrote, my biggest concern is NC. If he loses there, he then must win NH and MN (or another unforeseen state that, in total, gives him at least 10 votes to make up for the 15 lost in NC.)

Does anyone remember the lead up to Carter Reagan? I don't remember what the polls said leading up to the election. If I'm not mistaken Reagan won in a landslide. His campaign was based on something positive"Morning in America". Much like "Make America Great Again" Thanks for any input.

Jim

We can worry about electoral maps all we want (or fear) to.

But nothing changes our only two jobs.

1 Vote for Trump.

2 Get everyone you can influence to vote Trump

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Originally posted by Pal:
Does anyone remember the lead up to Carter Reagan? I don't remember what the polls said leading up to the election. If I'm not mistaken Reagan won in a landslide. His campaign was based on something positive"Morning in America". Much like "Make America Great Again" Thanks for any input.

Jim

Actually, "Make America Great Again" was Reagan's campaign slogan in 1980. Trump is using the same thing. The polls as we got closer to November showed a Reagan victory but not to the extent it actually happened. Then again, the liberal media was working overtime to try to save Carter and.....they fund most of the polls.

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Originally posted by Pal:
I know that the election is not based on popular vote but how many times has someone been elected without it?

Jim

4 times.

1824 John Quincy Adams
1876 Rutherford B. Hayes
1888 Benjamin Harrison
2000 George W. Bush

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Originally posted by Pal:
Does anyone remember the lead up to Carter Reagan? I don't remember what the polls said leading up to the election. If I'm not mistaken Reagan won in a landslide. His campaign was based on something positive"Morning in America". Much like "Make America Great Again" Thanks for any input.

Jim

The similarities are different. Reagan got to run against an incumbent who was directly responsible for the mess, malaise and hostages, thanks to timidity, incompetence and inexperience.

The country was in the grip of worsening inflation, the Iranians were holding those hostages from the US Embassy, for crying out loud, and Carter's rescue attempt had gone awry.

It wasn't just sloganeering that made the difference. It was the attitude Reagan conveyed, so convincingly that the Iranians couldn't get rid of those hostages fast enough because That cowboy might do something really crazy. Then a few years later, when he fired the air controllers, even the Russians knew he was nuts!

Thanks to both of you for the information.

Jim

Thanks to you too Jallen. That was back in my college days so I was not as aware of things as I try to be now. I do remember how everyone felt under Carter, and how that changed so quickly.

Although Trump is not running against an incumbent they do seem to be doing a good job laying much of this mess at her feet.

Jim

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Originally posted by Protein anchor:
CO and PA...there are two that will.

Should we just not bother then?

This map is based on the same polls that are going to be proven wrong.

Wait a see.

Vaguely remember from earlier today about poll "inputs" include literally 10s of 1000s responses from offshore IP addresses. And those conducting these "polls" apparently are not willing to put in filters to prevent such crap.

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Originally posted by Pal:
Thanks to you too Jallen. That was back in my college days so I was not as aware of things as I try to be now. I do remember how everyone felt under Carter, and how that changed so quickly.

Although Trump is not running against an incumbent they do seem to be doing a good job laying much of this mess at her feet.

Jim

Like JALLEN said, we are fighting a very different battle this time. Obama will likely leave office with the highest approval rating after 8 years of any President in history. His approval numbers, even today, are amazingly high. We are very fortunate that Hillary's approval numbers are so dismal. Had Bernie Sanders prevailed in the Dem's primary season, I'd be very worried right now.

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Colorado will vote for Trump. I conceded Pennsylvania a long time ago. If Trump wins it, that's a huge bonus and probably guarantees victory. Trump will win: NV, UT, AZ, IA, OH, NC, GA, FL. He may win NH and MN but doesn't have to. He will win part of ME. On my map, he currently has 275 votes. Of all I just wrote, my biggest concern is NC. If he loses there, he then must win NH and MN (or another unforeseen state that, in total, gives him at least 10 votes to make up for the 15 lost in NC.)

She would be at 267 losing CO, but winning WI, NH, and ME? I could see that. Have there been any polls released showing Mcmullin in NV? That state is so close he could play spoiler.

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viewers will probably still flock to sources that reinforce a viewer's preexisting ideas. We are more lazy or exhausted to search than would be ideal.

I agree. Many (most?) Americans are some combination of busy and distracted, and finding the truth is difficult and complicated and inconvenient and buried within an ocean of noise and bullshit (from all sides, even our own), which is how and why things are the way they are and the Media and Left and Establishment are able to do what they do.

An educated, interested, objective populace, with the time to put in the required effort, is pretty much the only solution, and we barely have that, and only some of the time. Venues like here, with memberships like this, are pretty rare, overall. I honestly don't know how we will compete, over the long term, beyond, perhaps, aggressive breeding and home schooling.

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How do you make up ground when 110% of districts are voting blue?

Wouldn't that be voter fraud? Haven't we been told that there is no voter fraud?

Remember polls are telephone calls. You cant vote with your phone.

Also someone put i a phonecall to the BIG MAN for a blizzard Nov. 8th in pittsburg/philly.

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Wouldn't that be voter fraud? Haven't we been told that there is no voter fraud?

I thought he got over 100% in a few districts, but was wrong. He got 100% of the vote in 59 districts. I could have sworn he went over 100% in a few. Close enough.

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Originally posted by Ackks:

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Colorado will vote for Trump. I conceded Pennsylvania a long time ago. If Trump wins it, that's a huge bonus and probably guarantees victory. Trump will win: NV, UT, AZ, IA, OH, NC, GA, FL. He may win NH and MN but doesn't have to. He will win part of ME. On my map, he currently has 275 votes. Of all I just wrote, my biggest concern is NC. If he loses there, he then must win NH and MN (or another unforeseen state that, in total, gives him at least 10 votes to make up for the 15 lost in NC.)

She would be at 267 losing CO, but winning WI, NH, and ME? I could see that. Have there been any polls released showing Mcmullin in NV? That state is so close he could play spoiler.

Yes, please! Please more polls! That way we can take yet another utterly worthless poll designed specifically to generate a programmed response from the voters and debate its merits.

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Originally posted by Deqlyn:
Remember polls are telephone calls. You cant vote with your phone.

Also someone put i a phonecall to the BIG MAN for a blizzard Nov. 8th in pittsburg/philly.

And Denver/Boulder.
And all of California because f@#$$ those guys.

One more thing. VT allows write ins and split electorate. Could hurt either candidate. And NH i believe.

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Originally posted by Ackks:

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Colorado will vote for Trump. I conceded Pennsylvania a long time ago. If Trump wins it, that's a huge bonus and probably guarantees victory. Trump will win: NV, UT, AZ, IA, OH, NC, GA, FL. He may win NH and MN but doesn't have to. He will win part of ME. On my map, he currently has 275 votes. Of all I just wrote, my biggest concern is NC. If he loses there, he then must win NH and MN (or another unforeseen state that, in total, gives him at least 10 votes to make up for the 15 lost in NC.)

She would be at 267 losing CO, but winning WI, NH, and ME? I could see that. Have there been any polls released showing Mcmullin in NV? That state is so close he could play spoiler.

Yep, it is very close. Many pages ago in the thread, I referenced NH's importance and someone replied that 4 EC votes won't make a difference. Well....to those who work in politics for a living, 4 EC votes in this election will be like gold. I do think it will be very close. I did read an article yesterday that talked about how hard it is to poll this particular election because Trump is such a unique figure in POTUS election history. The author suggested that polling in key states may well be severely underestimating his popularity. If so, Trump may win states that are not being considered in play for him right now (PA, VA, MI, WI, etc.) Let's hope the guy is correct.

An establishment in panic

Pressed by moderator Chris Wallace as to whether he would accept defeat should Hillary Clinton win the election, Donald Trump replied, “I will tell you at the time. I’ll keep you in suspense.”

“That’s horrifying,” said Clinton, setting off a chain reaction on the post-debate panels with talking heads falling all over one another in purple-faced anger, outrage and disbelief.

“Disqualifying!” was the cry on Clinton cable.

“Trump Won’t Say If He Will Accept Election Results,” wailed the New York Times. “Trump Won’t Vow to Honor Results,” ran the banner in the Washington Post.

But what do these chattering classes and establishment bulletin boards think the Donald is going to do if he falls short of 270 electoral votes?

Lead a Coxey’s Army on Washington and burn it down as British Gen. Robert Ross did in August 1814, while “Little Jemmy” Madison fled on horseback out the Brookville Road?

What explains the hysteria of the establishment?

In a word, fear.

The establishment is horrified at the Donald’s defiance because, deep within its soul, it fears that the people for whom Trump speaks no longer accept its political legitimacy or moral authority.

It may rule and run the country, and may rig the system through mass immigration and a mammoth welfare state so that Middle America is never again able to elect one of its own. But that establishment, disconnected from the people it rules, senses, rightly, that it is unloved and even detested.

Having fixed the future, the establishment finds half of the country looking upon it with the same sullen contempt that our Founding Fathers came to look upon the overlords Parliament sent to rule them.

Establishment panic is traceable to another fear: Its ideology, its political religion, is seen by growing millions as a golden calf, a 20th-century god that has failed.

Trump is “talking down our democracy,” said a shocked Clinton.

After having expunged Christianity from our public life and public square, our establishment installed “democracy” as the new deity, at whose altars we should all worship. And so our schools began to teach.

Half a millennia ago, missionaries and explorers set sail from Spain, England and France to bring Christianity to the New World.

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Today, Clintons, Obamas and Bushes send soldiers and secularist tutors to “establish democracy” among the “lesser breeds without the Law.”

Unfortunately, the natives, once democratized, return to their roots and vote for Hezbollah, Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood, using democratic processes and procedures to re-establish their true God.

And Allah is no democrat.

By suggesting he might not accept the results of a “rigged election” Trump is committing an unpardonable sin. But this new cult, this devotion to a new holy trinity of diversity, democracy and equality, is of recent vintage and has shallow roots.

For none of the three – diversity, equality, democracy – is to be found in the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the Federalist Papers or the Pledge of Allegiance. In the pledge, we are a republic.

When Ben Franklin, emerging from the Philadelphia convention, was asked by a woman what kind of government they had created, he answered, “A republic, if you can keep it.”

Among many in the silent majority, Clintonian democracy is not an improvement upon the old republic; it is the corruption of it.

Consider: Six months ago, Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe, the Clinton bundler, announced that by executive action he would convert 200,000 convicted felons into eligible voters by November.

If that is democracy, many will say, to hell with it.

Sign the precedent-setting petition supporting Trump’s call for an independent prosecutor to investigate Hillary Clinton!

And if felons decide the electoral votes of Virginia, and Virginia decides who is our next U.S. president, are we obligated to honor that election?

In 1824, Gen. Andrew Jackson ran first in popular and electoral votes. But, short of a majority, the matter went to the House.

There, Speaker Henry Clay and John Quincy Adams delivered the presidency to Adams – and Adams made Clay secretary of state, putting him on the path to the presidency that had been taken by Jefferson, Madison, Monroe and Adams himself.

Were Jackson’s people wrong to regard as a “corrupt bargain” the deal that robbed the general of the presidency?

The establishment also recoiled in horror from Milwaukee Sheriff Dave Clarke’s declaration that it is now “torches and pitchforks time.”

Yet, some of us recall another time, when Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas wrote in “Points of Rebellion”:

“We must realize that today’s Establishment is the new George III. Whether it will continue to adhere to his tactics, we do not know. If it does, the redress, honored in tradition, is also revolution.”

Baby-boomer radicals loved it, raising their fists in defiance of Richard Nixon and Spiro Agnew.

But now that it is the populist-nationalist right that is moving beyond the niceties of liberal democracy to save the America they love, elitist enthusiasm for “revolution” seems more constrained.

What goes around comes around.