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Originally posted by JALLEN:
[Let's just say, for giggles, that he does that, and the Anerican people do that, and come January 20, 2017 at noon, he is sworn in, watches the parade, then heads back to his new office. There he is, The Donald, sitting behind that big desk, where Kennedy sat and John-John played, and LBJ agonized over the war, and Nixon wasn't a crook, Jimmy Carter was "an incomplete success" and the rest of them fussed and fumed and cajoled Congress to do their bidding.

Now what?

So it is better to have the current system and keep going like this right? If nothing change this country will not recover for good, we are already too far in the shit hole is very sad to see a great nation become like Greece or even worst.

The Jackwagon/Buffoon/Ass-Hat flew one of his multi-million dollar helicopters up to the Iowa state fair. He then let kids go for rides in it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Jf8DKCncGM

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Originally posted by JALLEN:

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Originally posted by lastmanstanding:
I think Trump has a good chance of continuing his popularity if 2 things happen imo.
He continues to hit on the issues in a way people want to hear. He needs to stay out of the personality conflicts. Megyan self destructed. All he needed to do was point that out and let it go. But that's not Trump he likes those sort of pissing matches.

2 the GOP and media need to continue to attack him rather than block him out. He seems to thrive on this and so do the people.
As I said before if something else comes along say for instance this black lives matter idiotic thing and they try to run him off stage and Trump turns it on them, well that could take his popularity to new heights and carry him a long ways.

Let's just say, for giggles, that he does that, and the Anerican people do that, and come January 20, 2017 at noon, he is sworn in, watches the parade, then heads back to his new office. There he is, The Donald, sitting behind that big desk, where Kennedy sat and John-John played, and LBJ agonized over the war, and Nixon wasn't a crook, Jimmy Carter was "an incomplete success" and the rest of them fussed and fumed and cajoled Congress to do their bidding.

Now what?

Never said anything about him getting in office. In fact I have stated several times he has little to no chance of getting the nomination.
What I stated was the things that imo need to happen for his continued popularity.

I get it about all the past presidents Jallen I really do. But as I have also said here before Obama has changed everything going forward at least in terms of who can become president and what they can do once they get there if they are so inclined.

Now could Trump surprise the world and get elected? Sure. Obama did it twice.
And if he gets there, now what?
You're guess is as good as mine. I sure as hell can't tell you nor do I want to think about what Obama is going to do over the next 15 months or so.

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Originally posted by JALLEN:

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Originally posted by lastmanstanding:
I think Trump has a good chance of continuing his popularity if 2 things happen imo.
He continues to hit on the issues in a way people want to hear. He needs to stay out of the personality conflicts. Megyan self destructed. All he needed to do was point that out and let it go. But that's not Trump he likes those sort of pissing matches.

2 the GOP and media need to continue to attack him rather than block him out. He seems to thrive on this and so do the people.
As I said before if something else comes along say for instance this black lives matter idiotic thing and they try to run him off stage and Trump turns it on them, well that could take his popularity to new heights and carry him a long ways.

Let's just say, for giggles, that he does that, and the Anerican people do that, and come January 20, 2017 at noon, he is sworn in, watches the parade, then heads back to his new office. There he is, The Donald, sitting behind that big desk, where Kennedy sat and John-John played, a and LBJ agonized over the war, and Nixon wasn't a crook, Jimmy Carter was "an incomplete success" and the rest of them fussed and fumed and cajoled Congress to do their bidding.

Now what?

and LBJ agonized over the war,

Agonized? Maybe he felt guilty for sending so many American boys there.

"We are not about to send American boys 9 or 10 thousand miles away from home to do what Asian boys ought to be doing for themselves".

Lyndon B. Johnson


http://www.americanwarlibrary.com/vietnam/vwatl.htm

Seriously though: If America can survive an Obama Presidency, it can certainly survive a Trump Presidency....and I am quite certain we really would be better off at the end of a Trump Presidency than we are right now.

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Originally posted by lastmanstanding:

Now could Trump surprise the world and get elected? Sure. Obama did it twice.

And this is something everybody forgets: nobody thought, 15 months before the 2008 election, that a black leftist junior senator would get the Golden Ticket and win the Presidency. I certainly did not. I would have laughed at the notion.

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Originally posted by oddball:

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Originally posted by lastmanstanding:

Now could Trump surprise the world and get elected? Sure. Obama did it twice.

And this is something everybody forgets: nobody thought, 15 months before the 2008 election, that a black leftist junior senator would get the Golden Ticket and win the Presidency. I certainly did not. I would have laughed at the notion.

I say this over and over.

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Originally posted by Floyd D. Barber:

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Originally posted by JALLEN:

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Originally posted by lastmanstanding:
I think Trump has a good chance of continuing his popularity if 2 things happen imo.
He continues to hit on the issues in a way people want to hear. He needs to stay out of the personality conflicts. Megyan self destructed. All he needed to do was point that out and let it go. But that's not Trump he likes those sort of pissing matches.

2 the GOP and media need to continue to attack him rather than block him out. He seems to thrive on this and so do the people.
As I said before if something else comes along say for instance this black lives matter idiotic thing and they try to run him off stage and Trump turns it on them, well that could take his popularity to new heights and carry him a long ways.

Let's just say, for giggles, that he does that, and the Anerican people do that, and come January 20, 2017 at noon, he is sworn in, watches the parade, then heads back to his new office. There he is, The Donald, sitting behind that big desk, where Kennedy sat and John-John played, a and LBJ agonized over the war, and Nixon wasn't a crook, Jimmy Carter was "an incomplete success" and the rest of them fussed and fumed and cajoled Congress to do their bidding.

Now what?

and LBJ agonized over the war,

Agonized? Maybe he felt guilty for sending so many American boys there.

"We are not about to send American boys 9 or 10 thousand miles away from home to do what Asian boys ought to be doing for themselves".

Lyndon B. Johnson


http://www.americanwarlibrary.com/vietnam/vwatl.htm

There is a "sound bite" argument, one statement out, of countless ones he made, some publicly, some privately. I'm not a Johnson apologist, by any means, but I think it is fair, and accurate, to say that by the end of his term, he understood it to have been a mistake, had agonized over how to extricate us, given the culture and the pressures he had to have experienced.

I think I understand Johnson fairly well. I grew up in LBJ country, right down the road from the ranch, so to speak. My life since age ~4 was in the hill country, went to college in Austin. I saw Johnson in person quite a few times, shook his hand a number of times, and many of the people I grew up with knew him quite well. I've read several biographies including the 4 volume work by Robert Caro, and biographies of John Connally whose early life was quite interconnected with Johnson. There are many stories around, many from people who were eye-witnesses, about his antics, a great many of them uncomplimentary, as well as the gratitude for being the main cause for electrification in the hill country which profoundly changed life around here for the better.

I don't consider myself an admirer of Johnsons, like I have become of Connallys, although I do respect his talent, his energy, his "savoire faire" for getting things done his way.

^^^ For good or for bad, the man's career was textbook material. So were his neuroses, but there is a lot to learn from the way he operated.

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Originally posted by EmpireState:

Ok. So who is your pick then?

I can't say I've settled on a pick.

I like and admire Sen. Cruz, but he suffers from first term Senator disease, as does Sen. Rubio. These are two incredibly bright and capable men, with astonishing futures. I'm not sure they are ready just yet.

The governors, Walker, Kasich and Jindal, are very credible, experienced as one can be for that kind of unique role and with proven records of effectiveness, especially Walker. I have liked Perry. He has a terrific record and loads of experience but he has a lot of baggage from last time and an indictment hanging over his head, seemingly bogus but a cross he alone carries now. His money is drying up, he didn't set the world on fire in the debate and it is starting to look like he isn't going to make the cut.

Dr. Carson and Carly Fiorina seem effective, present well, and are gaining in popularity. I sure don't rule them out right now.

I like Gov. Huckabee, but he's a preacher. That's a concern. He seems likeable in the extreme, a solid fellow, but I can't see him getting the kind of support needed to stitch together a winning coalition.

Jeb Bush is disappointing so far. I have met and talked to his dad and brother, like and admire them both. Jeb has a good record in Florida, but fairly or unfairly carries a name that many will not go for, no matter what. If his name was Jeb McGillicuddy, a lot of people who suffer from a mild case of Bush Derangement Syndrome would be more accepting and supportive. He told his older brother it was ok to park dad's car on the front lawn, so he has a record of dubious judgment.

Sen. Paul and Gov. Christy may serve the country best by engaging in the argument they got into in the debate. It's incredibly important to get that right, with many implications for our future.

I don't have much interest in the others. Who knows? It's a long way up the greasy pole and a long time to go, with plenty of chances to mess up, and to excel.

Trump, of course, is a wild card. No telling how that's going to turn out.

Many of those, on this thread and others, who attack Trump personally, or who say he is a pussy/big baby/can't take a hard question-- all that crap-- are supporters of Jeb Bush, and don't have the balls to come right out and say so. But what they speak for, in wishing Trump would go away, is for a return of the usual-- and that would mean the nomination goes to Jeb! Bush.

Depressing.

If Jeb! Bush gets the nomination, the Republican Party is finished. We'll see the lowest Republican voter turnout in modern times. For certain.

Nominating Jeb! Bush would be like telling the orchestra on the Titanic to strike up another tune, something lively and fun, please... Come on, folks! As the North Sea creeps over the dance floor....

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Originally posted by justjoe:
Many of those, on this thread and others, who attack Trump personally, or who say he is a pussy/big baby/can't take a hard question-- all that crap-- are supporters of Jeb Bush, and don't have the balls to come right out and say so. But what they speak for, in wishing Trump would go away, is for a return of the usual-- and that would mean the nomination goes to Jeb! Bush.

Depressing.

If Jeb! Bush gets the nomination, the Republican Party is finished. We'll see the lowest Republican voter turnout in modern times. For certain.

Nominating Jeb! Bush would be like telling the orchestra on the Titanic to strike up another tune, something lively and fun, please... Come on, folks! As the North Sea creeps over the dance floor....

If they "give" it to Jeb...Next time there will be a third party!

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Originally posted by Fla. Jim:

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Originally posted by Protein anchor:

In all seriousness, this might as well be a reality show. It won't last and when you look back on this in a year it will all just have been a waste of time. Chump has been around a while and knows how to push people's buttons and rile everyone up. Circus sideshow.

I think this reality show "is the real reality". Some of you guy's and Gal's are going to be in shock when he win's. You think he has lost so much of his time and money to play a game? He's not serious? Some of you who think we are delusional are type casting this man. He will be the next President. Would be better to wrap your mind around it now than later. Here drink some of this it will help ease the disbelief.

He will be our next President? Yeah some of us think you are delusional.
Good luck to you though you are going to need it

He voted for Obama. He may have regretted that later, but that's enough to disqualify him IMO.

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He voted for Obama. He may have regretted that later, but that's enough to disqualify him IMO.

So if it's him vs. a Democrat, who are you voting for? Any Democrats running who voted for Romney or McCain?

Trump is doing more of the impossible. He's leading in the Hispanic poll numbers for Nevada..

http://www.prnewswire.com/news...pport-300114592.html

Trump Leads Nevada Poll with Overwhelming Hispanic Support

Trump Has Commanding Overall Lead of 27.7% in Nevada Poll with 31.4% Support by Hispanics

WASHINGTON, July 16, 2015 /PRNewswire/ -- One America News Network, "OAN", a credible source for 24/7 national and international news, released today its most recent 2016 Republican and Democratic Presidential Polling Results for Nevada conducted by Gravis Marketing. The results show that GOP Presidential candidate Donald Trump has a commanding lead of 27.7%, with recently announced Presidential Candidate Scott Walker in second with 15%. In third is Ben Carson with 7.8% with Jeb Bush a point behind at 6.8%. Marco Rubio rounds out the top five with 5.4%. Undecided voters remain high at just over 20%.

With polled Hispanics, Presidential Candidate Trump received 31.4%, higher than his overall performance of 27.7%. The only other Presidential Candidate to receive double digit support by Hispanics is Scott Walker with 11.4%.

Democratic Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton leads with 55.4%, a 37.1% lead over Bernie Sander's 18.3%. Clinton and Sanders are the only two candidates receiving double digit results. Coming in third and fourth are Senator Elizabeth Warren and Vice President Joe Biden. Ironically, neither have announced their candidacy. Warren has firmly stated that she will not be a 2016 Presidential Candidate.

The recently conducted One America News national poll also shows a heavily divided country when it comes to the job approval rating of President Obama. Democrats give President Obama a 73.5% approval rating whereas only 9.4% of Republicans approve of the President's performance. The overall approval rating of President Obama stands at 42%.

According to Robert Herring, Sr., CEO of One America News Network, "The strong showing by Donald Trump can't be ignored. Trump is clearly resonating with voters and, at least in Nevada, his 20 percent lead over Jeb Bush is commanding. Scott Walker, Ben Carson and Marco Rubio continue to poll well, yet it's still early in the campaign process with over 20% of the Republicans polled still undecided. Bernie Sanders continues to poll in the double digits and possesses the closest threat to the Clinton campaign. One America News is pleased to provide our viewers with on-going up-to-date poll results and we have more upcoming state and national polling underway utilizing the polling firm Gravis Marketing."

Doug Kaplan of Gravis Marketing states, "We see a significant change in Nevada from the last poll we conducted. Trump is taking the oxygen out of the room. He is taking votes from Bush and Cruz. Hillary is still over 50% and cruising to the nomination."

Gravis Marketing, a nonpartisan research firm headquartered in Florida, conducted the polling. The random survey of 1,276 registered voters in Nevada was conducted during July 12 and 13th. The sample includes 623 Republican Primary participants, 416 Democratic Primary participants, and 237 planning to vote in 2016, but will not participate in the primary elections. The overall poll has a margin of error of ± 3% with 4% for Republican Primary and 5% for Democratic Primary. The total may not add up to 100% because of rounding. The polls were conducted using interactive voice response, IVR, technology and weighted separately for each population in the question presented. Gravis Marketing is the recipient of the 2013 American Association of Political Consultants award for 2012 Presidential Primary domestic and international phone calls.

One America News Network has been providing extensive coverage of the 2016 Presidential campaign, including numerous exclusive one-on-one interviews with the leading candidates. One America News Network will be releasing on-going 2016 Presidential polling results, including national Presidential polling results at the end of July. Complete poll results are available at http://www.oann.com/pollnevada

I am enjoying the shake up Trump is causing. Heck I even enjoyed a couple of the things Carson had to say. I guess there are always a couple of odd men out until the group gets narrowed down. I just want actual examples of how Trump will make America great again and not just the name calling. This is not unusual behavior for candidates. They love to boast that they will rollback OBummer care, fix the entitlements issues, stop illegal immigration, blah blah blah. But I don't hear a detailed plan. Then again even when a plan is explained it is often not followed through.
Name calling is fine. And the names are fitting. Stupid doesn't even begin to describe the people in this administration who have dismantled this country piece by piece in two terms.

I just want someone I can believe in. Someone who will turn this country around. I am so sick of the lies and the utter disregard for our rights. I am sick of handouts to people who sit on their asses while the rest of us bust ours. I am sick of the divide in this country. I am sick of the illegals getting access to our jobs, our healthcare, all the while not bothering to learn our language. I am sick of the stripping away of our history and all the things that made this country great. And the support of countries who very clearly do not deserve it and are a threat to us.

Is there a candidate that can turn it around? I don't know. All I know is we can't have more of the same. This country cannot take anymore or we will implode.

Trump Says Undocumented Immigrants have to go.

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-th...ants-have-go-n410501

"Donald Trump would reverse President Obama's executive orders on immigration and deport all undocumented immigrants from the U.S. as president, he said in an exclusive interview with NBC's Chuck Todd."

I like that "band on the Titanic" analogy that was given earlier. If Bush ends up as the GOP Elite nominee, then it will be that "last tune" that they play...as the ship slowly sinks. I guarantee you the conservatives will stay home again but in much larger numbers this time.

I'm not really so sure Trump will give detailed plans for all of his proposals. He is a businessman and a successful one at that, it's against his nature to lay all of his cards on the table before the deal is closed. Not saying this is right, but I believe it is how he views things. We shall see.

^ That's an interesting point. Just caught him on the news saying just that. I guess it's just not the norm in a political race. It will be interesting to see if he wins on Trust alone with no actual plans laid out.