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Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
Let me say up front, Zendriver has as much right to his opinions as anyone else. Being rude in defending them, not so much. I too saw several polls claiming Clinton "won" last night's debate. I also saw several saying Trump "won." Here is what I know based on an absolutely ball busting class in experiment design I took in college. It was by far the hardest class I took in college as both an undergrad and a graduate student, dwarfing other ball busters as Physical Chemistry, Differential Equations, and Toxicology. When the population being evaluated is essentially divided into a two groups of roughly equal size, unless the pollster publishes every aspect of their survey, from the specific questions asked, to the selection of respondents, to how they crunched numbers (including the confidence level used), to how many times they did the survey to demonstrate repeatability there is no way to contrast the results of different surveys. Slight variations yield different outcomes. I have not seen any pollster do this on a poll of who "won" last night's debate. Or any debate. I know also that polls and personal impressions means zip. All that matters is who get 270 Electoral College votes. And remember this from your high school government classes - the Electoral College is not required to elect the person who received the majority of individual votes if the majority of the members of the College think that person is unfit to be President. State laws to the contrary mean fuck all. That is why those really smart guys who ginned up the greatest guide to governance of a nation put the Electoral College in the Constitution. And I do not discount the possibility we may see this happen this year. Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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Partial dichotomy |
Trump is saying now...and he mentioned this last night, talking about Bernie Sanders and some of his positive ideas. I think it's a good idea to get the Bernie supporters onboard. I know of one friend who was a huge Bernie supporter who's now all in for Trump and totally anti-Clinton. | |||
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Because of the width/spectrum of Trump's team, the people would see it as an oligarchic coup d'état. _______________________________ NRA Life Member NRA Certified Range Safety Officer | |||
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Get Off My Lawn |
Plus I think Trump will have home field advantage in a way. Las Vegas. Right up his alley. He does business there, has hotel property there. A showbiz atmosphere he feels comfortable with. Sinatra, Elvis, Knievel, and Trump "I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965 | |||
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Too old to run, too mean to quit! |
Damn, I thought I had him blocked. Have to try again Elk There has never been an occasion where a people gave up their weapons in the interest of peace that didn't end in their massacre. (Louis L'Amour) "To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical. " -Thomas Jefferson "America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great." Alexis de Tocqueville FBHO!!! The Idaho Elk Hunter | |||
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186,000 miles per second. It's the law. |
I could do a search, but does anyone know who is moderating that last debate? Trump def won last night. I don't think we've seen the last best card from Assange. | |||
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Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
But would enough people care enough to do anything about it? Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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"Hillary had nowhere to go but meek retreat. ‘I’m reminded,’ she said, ‘of what my friend Michelle Obama advised us all: When they go low, you go high." Spoken by the candidate whose campaign dug up and distributed the 11 year-old tape. Of all of her great moments of hypocrisy, this gem may go down as one of her all-time greatest. And she didn't bat an eye. She truly believes her own BS. . | |||
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Sig2340, that would be the "tipping point", and you don't want to go there. --------------------- DJT-45/47 MAGA !!!!! "Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." — Mark Twain “Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.” — H. L. Mencken | |||
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Now you support some of Sanders' proposals? The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
Today's is interesting. Trump's team needs to take this to the Bernie supporters, hard. Because they got shafted by the DNC.
And its all Russia's fault. Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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And the media's propaganda show doubles down. . | |||
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186,000 miles per second. It's the law. |
I think Assange will drop a bomb right before the last debate. | |||
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Thank you Very little |
Sanders supporters at their core are anti-establishment, so to some extent they have at least one similarity to the base of Trumps core which is to change leadership in DC from a politician. Outside of that not much Bernie has that I would find good but it'd pull votes from Johnson and Clinton, and that would be good. | |||
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Peace through superior firepower |
I love it, absolutely love it when you act as if you're obtuse. I can't get enough of that stuff. Really, I can't. | |||
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Off Topic But shep smith couldn't shine Cronkite's shoes. Sorry,I just hate that guy with an unholy passion. “We’re going to win so much. You’re going to get tired of winning. You’re going to say, ‘Please, Mr. President, I have a headache. Please, don’t win so much,’” he vowed. | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
Has it been mentioned yet that we're now over one million views for this thread? Wow. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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Peace through superior firepower |
The Rapist Enabler has been push polling. I spoke with a friend today. A Clinton Campaign volunteer called. He said it was push polling on the "sex tape scandal". The volunteer (a woman, of course) asked to speak with the lady of the house. He deflected the bullshit and hung up. I always say that if you want a thing too badly, you're not going to get it, but I want to defeat this disgusting, pandering bitch. Really, I do. ____________________________________________________ "I am your retribution." - Donald Trump, speech at CPAC, March 4, 2023 | |||
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