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this is going to set the party back for a decade...if they don't go the way of the Whigs.

They made their bed, and can now lie in it. I won't loose any sleep. A new party, one that actually represents its members, can emerge.

I gurantee you if we lose this election along with seats in the house and Senate, you and I and all of us here on SF will be losing quite a bit of sleep in the next 4-8 years.

Of course, Kristol's plan really only works out if Hillary isn't indicted and arrested. So if you consider a scenario where Hillary is not indicted and the GOP throws the election due to Trump, a 3rd party or new party will be the least of this countries worries. In this hypothetical of course.

That's right, Balze. People can't vote for senators sitting on their couch on election night. People voting third party for Trump are going to be pissed at the GOP. Will they reach over and pull the lever for a GOP senator in a close race or will they say screw them all? Next thing you know they have the senate and the Supreme Court.

OK.....wassup?

http://www.reuters.com/article...romney-idUSKCN0W42DD

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OK.....wassup?

http://www.reuters.com/article...romney-idUSKCN0W42DD

Ya, now he wants to talk tough.

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Originally posted by Sigmanic:
OK.....wassup?

http://www.reuters.com/article...romney-idUSKCN0W42DD

I've been wondering if he was going to jump in. Could be. I could see everyone but Cruz bowing out for Romney, leaving it as a 3-way race. Would Romney try to buy Cruz with the offer of a nomination to the Supreme Court?

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We're into March and I'm...

It was a pleasure to read that. A lot of sense there, both common and uncommon.

I'd like to predict the following based on my observations. Trump will soon change his tune/tone. He's starting to show signs of that. And for all the talk about being a "unifier", his purpose starts at home. He knows it. I expect a change in relations between the GOP and him.

He employs words carefully, like a good negotiator. He's not akin to unnecessarily wasting saliva, especially his own. And that sets him apart too.

Come March 15, the drums will bang slowly.

Democrats warn Hillary not to laugh off the Trump threat...

http://www.politico.com/story/...-trump-threat-220118

It’s time to stop pointing and laughing at the Republican primary. For all the GOP front-runner’s flaws, many veteran Democrats are beginning to conclude, Donald Trump is a canny operator who just might end up in the White House if they’re not careful.

He appears to be cracking the code with white working-class voters who could help him put blue Rust Belt states in play against Hillary Clinton. He’s helping to fuel record turnout in GOP primaries and he’s mastered the media like no candidate in recent memory, with his constant feeding of catnip to cable TV and his 140-character missiles on Twitter.

“It’s fair to say there’s been a graveyard already out there of people underestimating him,” said Doug Sosnik, a former Bill Clinton White House adviser. “And I am old enough to remember the sort of Democratic intelligentsia that was hoping Ronald Reagan would be nominated by Republicans in 1980 because everyone knew he was a doddering old right winger who could never get elected president.”
“So there is some danger to underestimating his candidacy,” Sosnik said. "Having said that, I have enough confidence in the judgment of the American people to never elect someone like Donald Trump president of the United States."

Tracy Sefl, a Democratic consultant who was a senior adviser for Ready for Hillary, said Trump was the most dangerous Republican candidate to come out of the primary because he’s “unpredictable, shameless, unapologetic” — and utilizes a non-strategy strategy that has so far worked for him.
“He doesn’t do defense. He’s immune to any sort of fundamentals of campaigning. He’s just doing it his way,” she said.
It’s a mistake to dismiss Trump's appeal against Hillary Clinton, other Democrats have concluded, especially as he continues to roll up wins across the map on his march to the Republican nomination.
“I think Trump could beat her like a tied-up billy goat,” said Mudcat Saunders, a rural Democratic strategist who’s supporting Bernie Sanders. “There are many areas in key swing states like Virginia, North Carolina, Ohio, and Pennsylvania that look like Sherman went through and didn’t burn anything. Empty factories, empty buildings, few opportunities for young people. It’s sad. It should be no surprise to anybody that voters in those areas are gravitating to Trump.”
While most Democrats continue to view their party's front-runner as the favorite to win — including for the simple reason that they believe it’s easier for many voters to picture Clinton in charge of the nuclear codes — there’s still a nagging fear that Trump might prove more competitive in some areas than anyone could have imagined.
“I think that’s a likely possibility: that Hillary Clinton could beat Donald Trump by an unheard of margin, nationally, of 6 to 10 points,” President Obama’s 2008 campaign manager David Plouffe recently told Glenn Thrush’s “Off Message” podcast. “But if that’s not the case and he’s competitive, where he’ll be competitive is in the Upper Midwest, in the Ohios, the Wisconsins, maybe Pennsylvanias of the world — maybe Iowa and Minnesota even, potentially.”

Losing any of those states would force the Democratic nominee to scramble to fill in the gaps in the 2016 map.
“You look at Wisconsin, you look at Ohio ... You go up to Appleton, the Paper Valley, Green Bay, where we’ve lost a lot of paper manufacturing jobs — the modern economy is still catching up in Wisconsin,” said former Wisconsin Democratic state party chairman Mike Tate. “It’s tough, and I do worry that Trump has some sort of appeal.”
The combination of historic political disruption and widespread feelings of economic insecurity worry those who see signs that Trump is harnessing powerful undercurrents.
Mary Kay Henry, president of the 2.1-million strong Service Employees International Union, told David Axelrod’s “Axe Files” podcast recently that Trump is “touching this vein of the terrible anxiety that working-class people feel about their current status, but more importantly, how terrified they are for their kids not being able to do as well as they have, never mind doing better.”
Some hard-hit areas may be especially receptive to Trump’s message.
“Any place that has had manufacturing job declines, they’re very sensitive to immigration, they’re very sensitive to policies that they believe favor corporations and not them,” said Chicago Democratic operative Tom Bowen, a Rahm Emanuel political alum. “I do wonder if there’s some level of white voter that hasn’t come out in the past, a guy like Romney they thought was outsourcing their job, whereas a guy like Trump, they might actually believe that he’ll slap tariffs on Chinese imports and Mexican imports.”
The prospect that Trump might turn out new voters who are highly motivated and not on anyone’s radar can’t be ignored, said Doug Rubin, a Democratic strategist who’s advised Sen. Elizabeth Warren.
"One thing that scares me the most about Trump is the fact that every one of these Republican primaries to date has record turnout. And I think a large part of that, though not all of that, but a large part of that is that Trump is bringing out people who don't normally vote, and adding to the Republican mix on those things and so I worry that in the general election along with the traditional Republican voters that he has the opportunity to bring out a chunk of voters that don't normally vote in those elections and in some elections that could tip the scales,” he said.

Former John Kerry adviser Bob Shrum also pointed to Trump’s ability to generate enthusiasm — and loyalty — among low-propensity and non-ideological voters.
“He’s speaking to a group of people for whom conservatism is not a set of principles and programs, but a collection of grievances, alienations and angers,” he said. “And he expresses that and they’re not going to leave him unless he does something really atrocious.”
But Shrum cautioned that he doesn’t think Trump can get the share of the white vote high enough to overcome what will be a solid minority vote against him.
“It will make Romney look like the king of Cinco de Mayo,” he said.
Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg, who this week released a report on "The GOP Civil War and Its Opportunities," said one important general election advantage Trump would have is that he’s seen as wanting to “throw out the money” in politics. And the image that he cultivates as a candidate who isn’t beholden to anybody lets him speak to voters who may be bothered by Clinton’s ties to Wall Street or her refusal to release her Goldman Sachs speech transcripts.
“We have a tendency to underestimate non-traditional candidates,” said a Democratic strategist who does work for the DNC but not the Clinton campaign. “Jesse Ventura got elected governor, Arnold Schwarzenegger got elected governor. These were non-political figures that had a resonant political message at a certain time in history and they found an audience.”

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We're into March and I'm...

It was a pleasure to read that. A lot of sense there, both common and uncommon.

Agreed ! That was great I kept looking for the link

Seriously, that needs to be published.

Never before have I seen a candidate attacked by both parties. That should be telling everyone what is going on.

God Bless Donald Trump !

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this is going to set the party back for a decade...if they don't go the way of the Whigs.

They made their bed, and can now lie in it. I won't loose any sleep. A new party, one that actually represents its members, can emerge.

I gurantee you if we lose this election along with seats in the house and Senate, you and I and all of us here on SF will be losing quite a bit of sleep in the next 4-8 years.

4-8 years? Try for the rest of our lives. If that happens, this country is all over.

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4-8 years? Try for the rest of our lives. If that happens, this country is all over.

Precisely, this it is it.

It's gonna take a steam roller to win it from the gdcommies.

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this is going to set the party back for a decade...if they don't go the way of the Whigs.

They made their bed, and can now lie in it. I won't loose any sleep. A new party, one that actually represents its members, can emerge.

I gurantee you if we lose this election along with seats in the house and Senate, you and I and all of us here on SF will be losing quite a bit of sleep in the next 4-8 years.

4-8 years? Try for the rest of our lives. If that happens, this country is all over.

Likely that there will be a lot of outlaws in our numbers, given what she would impose.

Ben Carson has dropped out.

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Ben Carson has dropped out.

Nice try Ben - thanks for doing the appropriate thing!

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Nice try Ben - thanks for doing the appropriate thing!

Now the question is how long Kasich will hang on.

wish Dr. C had been the steam roller we need. hope that there will yet be another way for him to help us save us from ourselves.

He can always be surgeon general.

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Nice try Ben - thanks for doing the appropriate thing!

Now the question is how long Kasich will hang on.

Till the Ohio primary. He'll be gone the next day.

Trump won every county in Alabama.

http://www.al.com/news/index.s...ml#incart_river_home

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Ben Carson has dropped out.

https://www.bencarson.com/news...nt-by-dr.-ben-carson

I read his statement and don't really know what he is doing. He says he does not see a way forward, but does not say he is dropping out of the race.

He needs to clarify at this speech he is going to give on Friday because staying in and pulling votes away from viable candidates when he knows that he cannot win is not cool and I would expect better from him.