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Originally posted by Ronin101:I still think he is going to destroy the republican party and ensure that Hillary gets in the Whitehouse

I agree on the first, but not so sure on the second. The RNC would like us to believe that, though. It's not in their interest to have an outsider win.

If he managed to get elected, how many people here think Trump would actually do anything he's talking about, and would he be able to do any of it (meaning Congress and the courts going along)?

I have a strong feeling he's spewing whatever he thinks will keep him in the news, crowd out all the other competitors, and feed the conservative core of Republican primary voters red meat to keep them in line. Do you think he's even thinking about what he's actually do if elected?

^^ BBMW, that is a very cynical view of his candidacy.

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I have a strong feeling he's spewing whatever he thinks will keep him in the news, crowd out all the other competitors, and feed the conservative core of Republican primary voters red meat to keep them in line.

You must really think "the conservative core of Republican primary" is comprised of a bunch of mind-numbed robots... who can easily be kept in line.
Ask John Boehner about that.

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I still think he is going to destroy the republican party and ensure that Hillary gets in the Whitehouse

Should the Republican party end up destroyed, the party itself will be responsible for its own destruction, not Donald Trump.

They have fallen victim to hubris and have put their own needs and wants above those of both our country and the constituents they were elected to serve.

Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders went straight to business on the "Tonight Show," calling President Franklin D. Roosevelt a model president and Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump a divisive demigogue.
Tuesday's interview opened with Sanders saying he admires Roosevelt — the two were born in New York City — as a model president to follow.

hmmmm.....

President Franklin D. Roosevelt authorized the deportation and incarceration with Executive Order 9066, issued February 19, 1942, which allowed regional military commanders to designate "military areas" from which "any or all persons may be excluded." This power was used to declare that all people of Japanese ancestry were excluded from the entire West Coast, including all of California and much of Oregon, Washington and Arizona, except for those in government camps. Approximately 5,000 Japanese Americans voluntarily relocated outside the exclusion zone,[10] and some 5,500 community leaders arrested after Pearl Harbor were already in custody,[11] but the majority of mainland Japanese Americans were evacuated (forcibly relocated) from their West Coast homes during the spring of 1942.

I know this. He'll say what he needs to say to get what he wants. Does this mean he'll actually do what he says? Not particularly.

This guy managed to get a lot of stuff built in NYC. You don't do that by being a hard ass. The unions and the politicians will cut you to pieces if you try. He did it by cutting whatever deals he had to cut to get things done. He also displays a lot of short term thinking, achieving maximum flash value without dealing with the long term consequences. Why do you think so many of his business have gone belly up?

I think you think you're getting a warrior, when I know you're getting the sales pitch of a master salesman (and sales is his main, and probably only, talent.)

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Originally posted by chellim1:
^^ BBMW, that is a very cynical view of his candidacy.

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I have a strong feeling he's spewing whatever he thinks will keep him in the news, crowd out all the other competitors, and feed the conservative core of Republican primary voters red meat to keep them in line.

You must really think "the conservative core of Republican primary" is comprised of a bunch of mind-numbed robots... who can easily be kept in line.
Ask John Boehner about that.

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Originally posted by BBMW:
If he managed to get elected, how many people here think Trump would actually do anything he's talking about, and would he be able to do any of it (meaning Congress and the courts going along)?

I have a strong feeling he's spewing whatever he thinks will keep him in the news, crowd out all the other competitors, and feed the conservative core of Republican primary voters red meat to keep them in line. Do you think he's even thinking about what he's actually do if elected?

I figure he knows where a whole bunch of bodies are buried, and would not be the least bit hesitant to point all that out if the politicraPs in the house and senate decided to get in his way.

We all know what happens when cockroaches are exposed to the light. Imagine what will happen when/if a bright light is suddenly put on a bunch of elected officials with lots of dirt to hide.

Imagine what will happen when the AG has marching orders to clean up the federal household. Take your choice, either mass retirements or mass arrests. In either case DC gets cleaner.

Also imagine what will happen when whole gubbermint agencies suddenly find themselves with no budget or presidential support to stay in business.

And did Trump not already say that he would shut down the VA, and turn their care over to private sources?

I deeply believe that Trump is our last best chance to turn this country around and head it in the direction we need to be going.

If we get another 4 years of establishment cronyism politicians in charge, we are done.

A vote for Trump is a guaranteed spot in the White House for Hillary.

PS - I haven't read the previous 133 pages and I hope the above statement hasn't been banned!

Remember, he prides himself on being a negotiator, first and foremost. And what do you do in a negotiation? You ask for the moon, right? And then you negotiate down to whatever you can get.

I think that's the dynamic you see at work in many of his "proposals." Problem is, he's on a different playing field, now.

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If we get another 4 years of establishment cronyism politicians in charge, we are done.

Yep.
I've always said that Trump was the key to taking out Jeb. Jeb had a plan. Divide and minimize conservatives. Cruise to the nomination on big-money donations. Trump has successfully thrown a monkey wrench in the Jeb-chamber of commerce establishment cronyism plan.

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Originally posted by BBMW:
I know this. He'll say what he needs to say to get what he wants. Does this mean he'll actually do what he says? Not particularly.

This guy managed to get a lot of stuff built in NYC. You don't do that by being a hard ass. The unions and the politicians will cut you to pieces if you try. He did it by cutting whatever deals he had to cut to get things done. He also displays a lot of short term thinking, achieving maximum flash value without dealing with the long term consequences. Why do you think so many of his business have gone belly up?

I think you think you're getting a warrior, when I know you're getting the sales pitch of a master salesman (and sales is his main, and probably only, talent.)

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Originally posted by chellim1:
^^ BBMW, that is a very cynical view of his candidacy.

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I have a strong feeling he's spewing whatever he thinks will keep him in the news, crowd out all the other competitors, and feed the conservative core of Republican primary voters red meat to keep them in line.

You must really think "the conservative core of Republican primary" is comprised of a bunch of mind-numbed robots... who can easily be kept in line.
Ask John Boehner about that.

So in your opinion Trump will act like a politician? While that is very possible, as is the likelihood of the existing establishment resisting any of his proposals, at least he will likely make an effort to live up to some of his promises. Is that not better than the current crop of ostrichs who refuse to even look at real problems because they require real work to resolve?

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Originally posted by Russ59:
A vote for Trump is a guaranteed spot in the White House for Hillary.

PS - I haven't read the previous 133 pages and I hope the above statement hasn't been banned!

How so?

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Why do you think so many of his business have gone belly up?

So how businesses does he have, and how many have gone belly up? Was he an owner of GMC? Didn't they go belly up? Also, didn't the stockholders lose a lot of money due to court decisions.?

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Originally posted by Elk Hunter:

I deeply believe that Trump is our last best chance to turn this country around and head it in the direction we need to be going.

If we get another 4 years of establishment cronyism politicians in charge, we are done.

This is EXACTLY it, sir. This is precisely it.

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Originally posted by Russ59:
A vote for Trump is a guaranteed spot in the White House for Hillary.

Bull

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Originally posted by Russ59:

A vote for Trump is a guaranteed spot in the White House for Hillary.

IMO you've got this all backwards. WHY do you think the Democraps are SCREAMING so loud right now? They see a serious threat to their gal Shrill Hill and will NOT let anyone stand in her way.

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Originally posted by Elk Hunter:
I figure he knows where a whole bunch of bodies are buried, and would not be the least bit hesitant to point all that out if the politicraPs in the house and senate decided to get in his way.

We all know what happens when cockroaches are exposed to the light. Imagine what will happen when/if a bright light is suddenly put on a bunch of elected officials with lots of dirt to hide.

I see no reason to believe this. He's an outsider to most of the political establishment. Maybe to some of the NY establishment he might have some inside knowledge. But on a national basis? No.

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Imagine what will happen when the AG has marching orders to clean up the federal household. Take your choice, either mass retirements or mass arrests. In either case DC gets cleaner.

You're assuming this based on nothing. He's a deal maker not a crusader (based on his behavior before running for president.)

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Also imagine what will happen when whole gubbermint agencies suddenly find themselves with no budget or presidential support to stay in business.

They'll go around him to Congress. Or, more likely, Congress will shove them down his throat because the agencies/benefits help them or their constituents.

Remember, there's only so much a President can do himself. Our current dear leader has found this out the hard way.

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And did Trump not already say that he would shut down the VA, and turn their care over to private sources?

I deeply believe that Trump is our last best chance to turn this country around and head it in the direction we need to be going.

If we get another 4 years of establishment cronyism politicians in charge, we are done.

Is it real, or is it a sales job? I worry it's the latter, and no one, not even Trump himself, has any idea what would happen when he gets in office.

What he has done very well is tune into the anger and fear of likely Republican primary voters, much better than the rest of the field.

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Originally posted by Russ59:
A vote for Trump is a guaranteed spot in the White House for Hillary.

PS - I haven't read the previous 133 pages and I hope the above statement hasn't been banned!

So you think Jeb, or Marco has a better chance?

Unlike these two (and others) Trump crosses demographic lines. Independents are attracted to him, along with blacks, hispanics, etc. Once he gets the nomination, most of the other Republicans will fall in line.

I like Cruz a lot, but he so far really does not have much of a chance against Hillary, IMO.

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Originally posted by Russ59:
A vote for Trump is a guaranteed spot in the White House for Hillary.

Let's modify this speculation...

A vote for Trump is a guaranteed spot in the White House for Hillary, because the God-Damn-Goldilocks-Republicans will stay home, as they did in the last 2 presidential elections.

How's that?

Politically speaking, the one thing I abhor more than a progressive/god-damn-commie, is a God-Damn-Goldilocks-Republican.

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Originally posted by PASig:

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Originally posted by Russ59:

A vote for Trump is a guaranteed spot in the White House for Hillary.

IMO you've got this all backwards. WHY do you think the Democraps are SCREAMING so loud right now? They see a serious threat to their gal Shrill Hill and will NOT let anyone stand in her way.

I have thought for sometime now but it really came into focus yesterday when Josh Earnest made his comments about Trump not being qualified for the Presidency based on his remarks about keeping Muslims out of the country.
Then he furthers that by saying any Republican who won't denounce Trump do not qualify to be Potus either.

Trump has put the GOP in a tough spot. Trump is leading by large margins and this is the problem. They can't go along with his bombastic statements but they can't use some nefarious tactic to cut him off at the knees either because Trump will, regardless of some tree house club document he signed will run as a independent.
The democrats see this and they are trying to actually facilitate this to happen. They are clearly trying to drive this wedge.

If the GOP were smart {imo) the would be working frantically behind the scenes to get to the bottom of this Hillary email scandal in the next 6 months. There is proof enough already that if they start pounding this drum everyday louder than the day before they can damage her enough to have a serious negative effect on her campaign.
Instead of trying to figure out how to damage Trump they need to turn the focus to the real opponent.