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JALLEN,

It's all good. I think the two of us can go back and forth all we want and still walk away respecting eachothers opinions.

Like I said, the brief bits Ive read on him I dont necessarily disagree with. And youre right...82 years on this planet is something to respect and learn from. BUT...the idea he's as clean as the wind driven snow and some small investor along the way hasnt been burned is folly.

Im going to edumicate myself a bit more on him over the weekend and come back again and comment.

My lawyer jokes arent that good anyhow.

Now back to Trump.


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Just read another piece saying if Trump gets elected its tantamount to investment suicide.


Interesting. I talked to one of my investment advisers today and he told me essentially the same thing. Tariff ideas coming out of Trump are crazy he said.

RMD


Well if Hildabeast or The Burn gets elected, it wont be suicide. It will just be death at someone elses hand. We're at apoint in this Country where we need to man up and get some shit done. Along with that is taking a few risks. To not do so is our certain destruction.


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JALLEN,

It's all good. I think the two of us can go back and forth all we want and still walk away respecting eachothers opinions.

Like I said, the brief bits Ive read on him I dont necessarily disagree with. And youre right...82 years on this planet is something to respect and learn from. BUT...the idea he's as clean as the wind driven snow and some small investor along the way hasnt been burned is folly.


92, actually. He is 3 weeks younger than my mother.

I don't claim he is pure as the driven snow. He's made his mistakes, quite a few, and had his disappointments. I've never seen anyone claim he cheated them. The "seamless web of deserved trust" isn't a scam.

Small investors make mistakes, as do large ones. Nobody makes them make mistakes. Be careful how you determine how someone was burned. I have a pretty good amount of experience at that, too. All my "burns" were self-inflicted.




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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On Hannity tonight, Trump said that the two justices who were most like who he would appoint were Scalia and Thomas. LINK (9:23) Trump has not historically seen eye to eye with all their decisions but he was sure clear in his overall support tonight.


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Cruz would be foolish to give up a Senate seat to be in the Cabinet.


It is my hope that Mr. Cruz will be on the ticket come November.

That failing, the only place for him that would be better for us than having him serving in the Senate is for him to occupy a seat on the Supreme Court.


This! If not POTUS or SCOTUS, he needs to stay in the Senate. He is one of the very very few who is doing the job he was sent there to do and didn't bow to political pressure and become a sellout right away like Rubio and most all others. We don't have many on our side in the Senate who have that kind of backbone and we need him where he can do the most good.


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I have often said on this forum that my first choice in a perfect world would be Ted Cruz. But I have changed my mind about Cruz in light of a number of things. One is that he continues to repeat what at this point is clearly a lie: That Donald Trump is in favor of single payer health coverage.

Some posters here may just be mistaken. But Cruz is a very smart, totally informed guy. He knows better. That means he is lying.

If you want to know the truth about Trump and healthcare, read this from The Conservative Treehouse:

http://theconservativetreehous...e-payer-health-care/


When I add Cruz' lying about Trump to the truly dirty move of announcing that Carson was out of the Iowa race, Cruz looks like a sanctimonious prick.


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I have often said on this forum that my first choice in a perfect world would be Ted Cruz. But I have changed my mind about Cruz in light of a number of things. One is that he continues to repeat what at this point is clearly a lie: That Donald Trump is in favor of single payer health coverage.

Some posters here may just be mistaken. But Cruz is a very smart, totally informed guy. He knows better. That means he is lying.

If you want to know the truth about Trump and healthcare, read this from The Conservative Treehouse:

http://theconservativetreehous...e-payer-health-care/


When I add Cruz' lying about Trump to the truly dirty move of announcing that Carson was out of the Iowa race, Cruz looks like a sanctimonious prick.


In lieu of seeing that a single payer health plane is not going to happen, Trump is now declaring that he wants to make sure that everyone is taken care of. To do that, even more money is going to have to come from the government.
Maybe a horse by a different name but still the same horse.
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I have often said on this forum that my first choice in a perfect world would be Ted Cruz. But I have changed my mind about Cruz in light of a number of things. One is that he continues to repeat what at this point is clearly a lie: That Donald Trump is in favor of single payer health coverage.

Some posters here may just be mistaken. But Cruz is a very smart, totally informed guy. He knows better. That means he is lying.

If you want to know the truth about Trump and healthcare, read this from The Conservative Treehouse:

http://theconservativetreehous...e-payer-health-care/


When I add Cruz' lying about Trump to the truly dirty move of announcing that Carson was out of the Iowa race, Cruz looks like a sanctimonious prick.


A couple days ago, I read a number of this guy's articles and he was to a small degree convincing me (I'm a Cruz guy). I then read some of his other articles/entries and realized he's in the bag for Trump and that most of his stuff is likely a narrative to convert Cruz supporters to support Trump.

Here's a few of his entries:
http://theconservativetreehous...-map-the-full-monte/

http://theconservativetreehous...d-splitter-strategy/

http://theconservativetreehous...ted-cruz-supporters/

I've seen a number of criticisms leveled at Cruz on Libertarian and Conservative forums. In fact on one libertarian forum, some so called libertarians were advocating Sanders over Cruz. Really??? I think there's a lot of BS and misdirection being floated out there. I'm not trying to change your mind, but I am saying be critical of everything you read. I think the left (and others) is scared s**tless of Cruz.

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Crap these guys all suck let's just stay home and let the Dems win.

Our original presidents could not get elected nowadays why? They were human...... You all would bitch that Jesus wasn't good enough for the GOP.

Get it together people. Stop ripping our only chance that's Cruz and Trump.

Say no ill words someone else might take that and not vote or go to the darkside. Let's start thinking straight and keep our eyes on the goal.

We all know we are fucked if the Dems win.


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I don't know whether some of you guys are too lazy to actually find out what Trump has said, or are-- like Cruz-- dishonest.

Here are his main points, from a link in the article I cited above:

1.) Repeal of the McCarran Ferguson Act so health insurance can be sold across state lines.
2.) Expansion of Health Savings Accounts to promote price transparency & accountability.
3.) Tort (or Medical Malpractice Reform)
4.) Reform of our health care social safety nets such as Medicaid.
5.) Mr. Trump has most recently added necessary reforms to be made to our broken Veteran’s Administration health care system specifically because it, like all other Single Payer systems is an unmitigated disaster!

Trump has then said that no matter how insurance is reformed, no matter how "affordable," there will be some "on the streets" who do not have health insurance. For such destitute, homeless people ONLY... the government will have a program to provide them with medical attention.

Is that hard to understand?

Or is it just easy to spin and distort?

When Trump has said "We cannot be heartless," he was referring to such people.

I completely agree. In a wealthy country, to allow destitute people-- whether they are winos, druggies, crazy, or whatever personal catastrophe put them out in the street-- to allow them to die like rats would be unconscionable.

Cruz is "pro-life." Are you pro-life? What? Only when it is still in the womb?


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Why does everybody seem to think Trump saying "I want to cover everybody" automatically mean fully socialized health care? It doesn't. It could take many forms.
 
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3.) Tort (or Medical Malpractice Reform)

That'll tell ya why the lawyers on the forum are against it. Wink



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But I have changed my mind about Cruz in light of a number of things. One is that he continues to repeat what at this point is clearly a lie: That Donald Trump is in favor of single payer health coverage.


From 9/27/2015 60 Minutes interview with Donald Trump:

"Donald Trump: I am going to take care of everybody. I don’t care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now."

"Donald Trump: —the government’s gonna pay for it."

Sounds like single payer to me.
 
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Some of you guys are gonna like this one:

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The Advice That Clinches Presidency for Donald Trump

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Wayne Allyn Root
February 12, 2016

I was the first in America to extol the chances of a Trump presidency way back in the Spring of 2015.

By July I already saw a clear path to the Presidency for a politically-incorrect, tell-it-like-it-is, billionaire businessman with a nuclear mouth.

I was the first to compare Trump to Ronald Reagan.

While Democrats were publicly ridiculing Trump as a "racist" and clown...and major advertisers and business partners were running away from him, I was the first to understand Trump was the one candidate Democrats feared and had to stop at all costs.

Now my vision of a President Donald Trump is becoming a reality. New Hampshire wasn’t just a big victory. It was a coronation. The sun came up and shined a light on a clear path to the Presidency for Trump. Who is it that can now beat Trump for the GOP nomination? Name that person? Ted Cruz? Cruz was a distant third in New Hampshire. He's trailing by double digits in both South Carolina and my home state of Nevada.

I can only think of one person at this moment standing in the way of Donald Trump: Hillary Clinton.

Here's my advice to Donald.

Radical Marxist kook Bernie can’t stop you. If Sanders is the nominee, he will go down to a George McGovern-like 49 state defeat. If Sanders is the nominee, Trump might very well become the first Republican president to win the black vote. Trump will win New York State. So don’t even worry about Bernie. Pray for Bernie.

That leaves one target: Hillary. She is the only thing standing in the way of “President Donald Trump” at this moment. Donald Trump understands “branding.” He branded Jeb Bush as “low energy.” Bush disappeared. He branded Ben Carson as “unhinged.” Ben disappeared. He branded Ted Cruz as "unlikeable." He pointed out that Cruz is hated by every fellow Senator. Ted fell off the radar in New Hampshire.

Donald’s amazing talent allows him to find your one weakness and pound it home publicly in the media until it’s on everyone’s subconscious. First the public is shocked at the comment. Then they laugh at the comment. Then they start thinking about it. Then they can’t get it out of their minds. And then...you’re roadkill.

Now it’s time for Donald use that remarkable talent for branding...to destroy Hillary. Now...before she ever gains momentum. Now she is at her weakest. The walls are closing in on Hillary. It's the perfect time to finish the job. Hit her now while she's wounded and she never recovers. It's game, set, match.

Here’s what Trump has to say moving forward when the media asks him About Hillary:

“I’m no longer commenting on Hillary. I’ll be shocked if she’s my opponent. She’s a criminal. She’ll be under indictment soon. Did you really study what she did? The illegal emails. The national secrets of our country on a server in her bathroom closet? The bribes at The Clinton Foundation. The lies of Benghazi right to the face of the parents of dead soldiers. She’s a mess. She’s going to be indicted. She’s not headed to the White House. She’s headed to the Big House. So I am preparing for Bernie, or a last minute replacement like Joe Biden as my opponent. Hillary is no longer viable- unless she’s saved by a corrupt political fix.”

Say that…publicly…day and night. Brand Hillary as a criminal. Make her middle name Hillary "soon to be indicted" Clinton. And like Jeb, Ben and Ted…she’s done. History. Yesterday’s news.

There are only two possible outcomes for Hillary. Either she is indicted- in which case Donald looks like a genius. He can say, “I told you so.” Trump is the next president.

Or Hillary isn’t indicted because Obama and the DOJ refuse to accept the FBI’s recommendation to indict. At this point she is a mortally wounded sitting duck. Trump has branded her a criminal. He’s even planted the seed that "the fix" was in. She was only saved by a corrupt president playing politics to save his own reputation. The stench hanging over Hillary's dead candidacy is even worse than being indicted and dropping out. She is crippled. She’ll never recover.

Hillary loses to Trump, or is so crippled she loses the nomination to Bernie Sanders. Or the Democrats are forced to save their ticket with a last minute replacement: Joe Biden.

All three choices favor Trump. Crippled, damaged goods "soon to be indicted" Hillary. Radical commie Bernie. Or crazy Joe Biden- a boring white guy with no appeal to women, young people or minority voters.

Game. Set. Match. President Donald Trump.


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Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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^^^What's not to like?^^^



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But I have changed my mind about Cruz in light of a number of things. One is that he continues to repeat what at this point is clearly a lie: That Donald Trump is in favor of single payer health coverage.


From 9/27/2015 60 Minutes interview with Donald Trump:

"Donald Trump: I am going to take care of everybody. I don’t care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now."

"Donald Trump: —the government’s gonna pay for it."

Sounds like single payer to me.


That is exactly what I said only a little different. Wink

As far as the Carson thingy in the Iowa Caucus, the crap that goes on at these things make a Roman Circus look tame. Please do not fall for the media BS.
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That is exactly what I said only a little different.


I don't think you guys are THAT dense. You're just being as dishonest as Cruz.

With Romney or McCain it might work. They would hem and haw, not wanting to upset anyone or call anybody a liar.

And this is exactly why in these times we need a junk yard dog like Donald Effing Trump. There are too many liars and cheats around for a Mr. Nice Guy.


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"The government will pay for it" could be interpreted more than one way as well. It could well include some subsidies, but I doubt it would be fully "socialized." How about waiting and seeing?
 
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That is exactly what I said only a little different.


I don't think you guys are THAT dense. You're just being as dishonest as Cruz.

With Romney or McCain it might work. They would hem and haw, not wanting to upset anyone or call anybody a liar.

And this is exactly why in these times we need a junk yard dog like Donald Effing Trump. There are too many liars and cheats around for a Mr. Nice Guy.


Yeah, effing Trump is the guy. Forget about foreign policy. Forget about running our military.
we just had an ass clown effing every thing up.
Let's do it again because he has big balls.
But, again, I am dense and inexperienced in the ways of the world. So, Donald Effing Trump it shall be, me boy.

But, if Trump should be the nominee, then I support the hell out of him over anything in the dem libtard party.
 
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If you don't think he can run our military, fine. Or that he knows foreign policy. Those are your opinions, and, okay, so we disagree.

What bothers me is making shit up about his "single payer" healthcare plans. There is no excuse for that. Trump has made his actual views on healthcare very clear.


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