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As of now, 86.7% will NOT watch the debate without Trump.


Voted. NO ! Wink

This is becoming quite interesting.

The comments below the poll are also...




 
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This is bad news for Fox. With Trump out of this debate, the ratings will tumble.


As of now, 86.7% will NOT watch the debate without Trump.


That should serve as a cautionary tale to Fox News. If you continue to disregard the needs and desires of those upon whom you depend for support, eventually you will lose that support.

Rather like the failings of the Republican establishment being directly connected to the success of the Trump candidacy thus far.
 
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Well, my boy Cruz just challenged Trump to a one on one Lincoln-Douglas style debate.
Cruz is a sharp guy and Trump is gonna have a tough time finding a reason to turn this down.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politic...-mano-debate-n504916



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Well, my boy Cruz just challenged Trump to a one on one Lincoln-Douglas style debate.
Cruz is a sharp guy and Trump is gonna have a tough time finding a reason to turn this down.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politic...-mano-debate-n504916

Why should he even acknowledge Cruz? Trump IS the 800 lb gorilla in the room.



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Soooo, are we seeing a prelude to how The Donald might "deal" with the democrats, Mexico, the Chinese, etc? Am I allowed to hope on some level that at least some of the pathetic amateur "gamesmanship" is over? I'm still not completely certain what to think of Trump, and probably won't be until more layers get peeled away, but I am enjoying his show at this point!
 
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Why should he even acknowledge Cruz? Trump IS the 800 lb gorilla in the room.

Yes... before a single vote has been cast in any primary anywhere we should discard all other candidates because Trump IS an 800 lb gorilla.



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Why should he even acknowledge Cruz? Trump IS the 800 lb gorilla in the room.

Yes... before a single vote has been cast in any primary anywhere we should discard all other candidates because Trump IS an 800 lb gorilla.

I never said other candidates should be discarded.

You didn't answer my question. Why should Trump even acknowledge Cruz's challenge? Politicians throw out bullshit challenges all the time. Why is Cruz's challenge to Trump any different?



When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are undisturbed. Luke 11:21


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Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." -- George W. Bush

 
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Why should Trump even acknowledge Cruz's challenge?


If Trump accepts or even acknowledges Cruz's challenge, it ONLY benefits Cruz.



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Marco is a wolf in sheep's clothing, IMO.


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https://www.tedcruz.org/l/ducking-donald/

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Why should he even acknowledge Cruz?


If he doesn't think Megyn Kelly will be "fair" or "nice" and if he doesn't like the format... he should debate Cruz one on one Lincoln-Douglas style.

But... he won't. See page 178:

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the Donald had to know that FOX was not going to dump her at the last minute.
So why bow out?

Well, it's said that when you are in the lead, you don't need to debate. It gives your opponent an opportunity. Debates give the challengers exposure and potentially help them overcome your lead.

Is Trump afraid of Megyn? No. Is he afraid of debating? No. He's done it 5X now and he's getting better at it. It's tactical. He has a lead in the polls.

However, I do think he's miscalculating. If 1 out of 4 or so can still be swayed, I don't think a majority of those are going to tilt his way because of this decision to not show up for the debate.



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
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A month ago they should have decided to do such a debate, together.

But at this point? There's no upside for Trump, who is poised to win the bigger title/belt, to step into the ring with a bare knuckle boxing champ of a pikey like Cruz.

Right or wrong, doing so would simply be poor strategy at this juncture.
 
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Originally posted by chellim1:


https://www.tedcruz.org/l/ducking-donald/

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Why should he even acknowledge Cruz?


If he doesn't think Megyn Kelly will be "fair" or "nice" and if he doesn't like the format... he should debate Cruz one on one Lincoln-Douglas style.

But... he won't.

Still didn't answer the question.



When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are undisturbed. Luke 11:21


"Every nation in every region now has a decision to make.
Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." -- George W. Bush

 
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If 1 out of 4 or so can still be swayed, I don't think a majority of those are going to tilt his way because of this decision to not show up for the debate.



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
-rduckwor
 
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Trump is Gorgeous George, Cruz is Mickey, and George needs to focus on the other fight:
 
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If he doesn't think Megyn Kelly will be "fair" or "nice" and if he doesn't like the format... he should debate Cruz one on one Lincoln-Douglas style.

But... he won't.
chellim, I think we're devolving into somewhat of a pissing contest over nothing here. Each candidate will, and should, do what they think will help them win the nomination. Cruz is an opportunist and is taking a shot at Trump through this debate challenge. Good for him! However, Trump is leading in all the polls right now, so there's little advantage to him accepting or even addressing Cruz's challenge. Good for him too!

The gloves are off on all sides and everyone is sprinting to the finish.


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he should debate Cruz one on one Lincoln-Douglas style.


Now that, right there, would be a real mistake. It immediately confers upon Cruz as a candidate the status of an equal, which he is not. Far from. Trump is running away with it, and is far to savvy to do something so dumb.


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Well, my boy Cruz just challenged Trump to a one on one Lincoln-Douglas style debate.
Cruz is a sharp guy and Trump is gonna have a tough time finding a reason to turn this down.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politic...-mano-debate-n504916

Trump will ignore because it's all he can do. He certainly won't accept that challenge and walk into the meat shredder a one on one debate against Cruz would surely be.


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However, Trump is leading in all the polls right now, so there's little advantage to him accepting or even addressing Cruz's challenge.

That's what I pointed out above and on page 178.

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It immediately confers upon Cruz as a candidate the status of an equal, which he is not. Far from. Trump is running away with it, and is far to savvy to do something so dumb.

Maybe... but they are tied in Iowa which is the only one that matters at the moment. The polls don't matter. Only voting matters, which is why the Donald shouldn't assume it's in the bag. It's kind of like the "prevent defense" which often prevents a victory. I also think that when you decide not to debate you are not really giving the voters the opportunity to judge how you handle opposition or confrontation.



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
-rduckwor
 
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Of course, the polls are bogus, unless they show a result we favor.

Be careful with statistics, gents.




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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