This latest "stunt" only seems arrogant to those who don't think the Media is arrogant and controlling. Our adversary is the Media. (Why should I go to your party and be treated like shit? I'll throw my own and it'll be bigger than yours.)

Throw out the usual predictors out the door. Trump is carving his own path with a bulldozer and a wrecking ball.

In 1980 George HW Bush won the Iowa caucus...
...and in 1980 Ronald Reagan won the white house.

What Trump does that encourages me is that he takes establishment, legacy, traditional type politicians, pundits, analysts etc. by the scruff of the neck and rubs their noses in poo. The look on their faces afterwards is priceless. Even Rush L sometimes misses it when callers say they can't understand why Trump seems invincible. The only answer is that Trump is not one of the establishment and he is bright and bold. These are potentially dangerous characteristics if not disciplined but if focused and tempered by correct principles, those same traits will destroy our oppressors. Trumps appears to be the greatest hope that the right things happen consistently since Reagan. We will see.

The current debate formats are a joke. How the hell can you have any kind of meaningful debate with 8 or 10 people on stage all trying to agree on something. I dont blame Trump for bailing out, he has every right to tell Fox to pound sand. They need to just invite the top 4 candidate or any candidate polling with double digit numbers, and the rest can just stay home.

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Originally posted by Ackks:
His supporters love it, but it does look arrogant and erratic to the rest of us.

So, let's see- that's you and a few other members here, and the Democratic Party.

You find yourself is such good company.

See you boys in November. Go get yourselves some Hillary campaign swag- some buttons and yard signs and shit.

I don't know what to think.....until Karl Rove gives me his analysis.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-g...dia-to-donald-trump/

Last week, moderator Megan Kelly convened a special panel of anti-Trump writers from National Review to mark the launch of their attack on Trump. This week, Fox News prepared for the debate by inviting a Muslim activist who has criticized Trump to be one of three YouTube personalities to question the candidates.

And on Tuesday, as Trump considered whether to participate in the debate, Fox issued a petulant, snarky press statement mocking him:

"We learned from a secret back channel that the Ayatollah and Putin both intend to treat Donald Trump unfairly when they meet with him if he becomes president — a nefarious source tells us that Trump has his own secret plan to replace the Cabinet with his Twitter followers to see if he should even go to those meetings."

Fox News’ behavior after Trump’s withdrawal vindicates his decision. The network issued a statement that attacked Trump politically–“We’re not sure how Iowans are going to feel about him walking away from them at the last minute”–and accused him of “terrorizations.”

Kelly followed up with radical leftist filmmaker Michael Moore on her program for what the Washington Post called a “televised love-in,” where Moore defended her against Trump.

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bad sign when Michael Moore cheers you on.

Fox has dropped all pretense of being neutral or "fair and balanced". It is "MSNBC like" behavior to target the #1 polling Republican candidate for president.

I am quite surprised that Fox went down this path.

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I don't know what to think.....until Karl Rove gives me his analysis.

ROTFLMAO ! ! !

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Originally posted by doublesharp:
I hope Trump backing out of the FOX news debate Thursday doesn't backfire. I think it's a mistake.

Of course it is a mistake. I don't know if it is a mere mistake - that is, a calculated move but one that will backfire - or his ego running away with him.

EDIT - The reason.

The Trump faithful will think it is genius. The rest of voters will think it is arrogance and disdain for the process and for them. And the faithful alone won't get the nomination for Trump and they certainly won't win the general election.

But it is a mistake.

I do not think it was a mistake. And, I also think that a LOT of people agree with Trump. Why should he go there, waste his time, and let that bimbo and her co-conspirators snipe at Trump? It has been painfully clear since that debate when princess megan ambushed Trump that FNC is simply another, but slightly better camouflaged, part of the liberal MSM.

The hard fact is that millions of Americans are sick and tired of the political BS and the LSM running cover for them.

We need someone who understands how the economy really works, how jobs are created, who knows how to bring all those trillions sitting in foreign banks back to the US.

Also, one who knows how to get rid of unqualified place holder "employees", how to trim expenses, how to get rid of unnecessary organizations and people.

I see a lot of criticizing about things he said, or might have said, 20 years ago and how that makes him un-electable or undesirable. If that is the best his competition can come up with, then they need to STFU and go home.

If you needed another reason to support the Donald, here you go. My dialog in bold

Davos elite alarmed at prospect of nominee Trump

"Unbelievable", "embarrassing" even "dangerous" are some of the words the financial elite gathered at the World Economic Forum conference in the Swiss resort of Davos have been using to describe U.S. Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump.

Although some said they still expected his campaign to founder before his party picks its nominee for the November election many said it was no longer unthinkable that he could be the Republican candidate.

Some noted that whatever the outcome, a heated campaign, which has also seen self-proclaimed Socialist Bernie Sanders provide a tough challenge to former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination, could alter the U.S. political environment, giving vent to new populist anger on both sides of the political divide.

Trump's nationalist rhetoric, particularly proposals to ban Muslims from entering the United States, tax goods made abroad and build a wall on the Mexican border, were never the sort of thing to appeal to the free trade crowd that typically gathers at events like the annual Davos economic forum.

Former U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan said if Donald Trump wants to be a good negotiator as president, he’ll need to listen more than demanding his own way.

“Clearly it is not a rhetoric that is inviting for integration," said Chile's Finance Minister, Rodrigo Valdes, referring to his comments on the campaign trail.

"In Chile we have a deep view that integration of the Americas is a good thing, whether it is goods, financing and yes people. So I’d be happier with a more welcoming rhetoric."

hey Rodrigo - here in 'merica, we have a deep view that you should shut up, as your opinion has no weight here. And integrating your people with our tax $ is no longer welcome

Among the present and former government officials in the Swiss resort was Eric Cantor, former Republican majority leader in the U.S. House of Representatives, now vice-chairman of Moelis & Co, an investment bank. Like much of the Republican party's establishment, he had cold words for Trump.

"He's not serious. He's amazing at promoting his personal brand and reflecting an underlying anger at home," Cantor said.

Eric - that attitude is why you are no longer a representative of the people. Seriously.

"Trump Fever is an unsustainable phenomenon that will not translate into a victory for the candidate."

But for Ray Nolte, chief investment officer of Skybridge Capital, a $13 billion hedge fund whose founder has supported other Republican candidates including Jeb Bush, such establishment pronouncements sound like wishful thinking.

“Is Donald going to be the nominee? I don’t know. It’s sure looking that way now," Nolte said. "Anyone here (at Davos) who is in the mainstream says there is no way he could possibly get the nomination. When I hear that, it probably means it is going to happen."

Noting the challenge to Clinton from Sanders, which he said could pull her to the left on issues like financial regulation, Nolte said institutional investors were already paying attention to the prospect of increased U.S. political volatility from the election.

Arianna Huffington, whose Huffington Post news website once insisted on covering Trump, a former reality TV star, as an entertainment figure rather than a politician, said the site reversed its policy once he announced his proposal to ban Muslims from entering the United States, which made him too "dangerous" to ignore.

Former House Majority Leader Eric Cantor told Reuters that Donald Trump will not win the Iowa Caucus and his trade policies would hurt American consumers.
"I feel the mainstreaming of Donald Trump, instead of him being treated as an extreme, dangerous candidate, is really the most troubling aspect of American politics right now," she said.

"He’s being interviewed on all the main shows, and he’s being asked questions about what his first State of the Union address would be like if he wins, instead of actually being forced to answer the tough questions about his policy, especially his policy of wanting to ban Muslims from entering the U.S., which is so dangerous, so un-American and should really be the center of the coverage of Trump."

For Dominic Barton, global managing director for business consultancy McKinsey, Trump has turned the political campaign itself into "entertainment", which could hurt the global image of the United States.

"It’s a bit embarrassing globally. But I think there’s a big difference between the rhetoric and the reality, and I think most people will see that and discount it. But it’s incredible how long its been going for. It’s just unbelievable,” he said.

Just for the record Dominic, how big a difference do you see between the rhetoric and reality of Obama? Seas receding, ISIS defeated, right? Let's review who should be embarrassed. Check the mirror.

But not everyone is worried. Sandeep Dadlani, executive vice president of Indian outsourcing firm Infosys, said his firm has earned the majority of its revenue in the United States for more than 30 years.

"We have seen many elections come and go. It is common in all election seasons for rhetoric and extreme personalities to shine. Inevitably we have found governments from both sides to eventually come up with sensible policies," he said.

http://www.reuters.com/article...-elite-idUSKCN0UZ2MD

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Originally posted by jhe888:

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Originally posted by doublesharp:
I hope Trump backing out of the FOX news debate Thursday doesn't backfire. I think it's a mistake.

Of course it is a mistake. I don't know if it is a mere mistake - that is, a calculated move but one that will backfire - or his ego running away with him.

But it is a mistake.

And if his poll numbers go up after the debate, is it still a "mistake"?

It seems Trump has made many, many "mistakes" according to the "experts". How's that been working out for him so far?

My conclusion is that Trump's poll numbers WILL go up after the debate. People are tired of the same old shit and Trump's poll numbers prove it.

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Donald Cajones Trump showing leadership. He's all they'll be talking about today. The media is probably universally despised as much as politicians and lawyers.

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FLASHBACK: Ronald Reagan Skipped Last Debate Before IA Caucus – Went on to Win in Landslide

http://www.thegatewaypundit.co...to-win-in-landslide/

Thank you, thought I was the only one thinking back how Reagan skipped.

Wow it sure killed him.

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"He’s being interviewed on all the main shows, and he’s being asked questions about what his first State of the Union address would be like if he wins, instead of actually being forced to answer the tough questions about his policy, especially his policy of wanting to ban Muslims from entering the U.S., which is so dangerous, so un-American especially his policy of wanting to ban Muslims from entering the U.S., which is so dangerous, so un-American and should really be the center of the coverage of Trump."

WTF ? ? ?

How is this dangerous ?

How is this "un-American" ?

That's right, just keep on programming us Proles. Even though we're fed up and angry, just keep on with what you've been doing

I continue to note that he is consistently mis-quoted about his statement concerning muslims entering the US.

He said, to stop it UNTIL WE HAVE A PROCESS IN PLACE THAT WILL WEED OUT THE BAD ONES!

Damn, what a concept!!!!

I recall when I was bringing Mrs. Elk to the states. Took 9 freaking months, complete with a total background check (for generations) and ended with what amounted to a security clearance equal to or higher than mine, and I had a TS Crypto.

Why should anyone (with more than 2 working brain cells) be opposed to actually knowing who we bring into the country?

So now we have millions of "immigrants" in the country, have no fucking idea who they are, what they believe, no idea of their intentions other than to collect a whole bunch of free shit, and nobody knows where the hell they are.

Can Trump fix that? I firmly believe that he can, and will. The biggest danger to our nation today is not necessarily from ISIS coming here. Rather that we are not providing asylum for "victims" but rather asylum and active material support for those who may want to kill us. Or, destroy our government and install their own version, called SHARIA.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-j...-back-to-the-debate/

Joe Scarborough revealed on Morning Joe Wednesday morning that Fox News CEO Roger Ailes had been trying to contact both Ivanka and Melania Trump hoping they could convince Trump to change his mind, but that Trump would only speak to Rupert Murdoch.

^ it's pretty astonishing, really, like EOD guys heading into a minefield without gear or processes, like the next wannabe Crocodile Hunter heading into the Amazon with no help or training, like Jethro Bodine jumping out of the Airboat into a nest of Water Moccasins without any training at all and sticking his head right into the big Gator's mouth while wrapping snakes around his nuts just to prove how manly and compassionate he is.

Oh no, let's just assume it's safe, to our own detriment, despite contrary examles aplenty.

The way Repubs are treated vs. how Dems are treated in the debates is fuckin astoundingly different. & it's a joke having 8-10 mf'ers up there, when 1/2 are polling <5%.

Trump gained massive support when he stood up to the media (Ms Kelly in particular) because alot of people are tired of the media & the elite telling us what topics are important (War on Women), while never mentioning the real topics important to most Americans (illegal immigration, importing jihadis, & burdensome taxes).

I think Trump is right for skipping this debate, & I think his poll numbers will rise this week. Honestly, my support for Trump has waned, but who in the blue fuck is any better? At least Trump aint a pussy & will fight.

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http://www.breitbart.com/big-j...-back-to-the-debate/

Joe Scarborough revealed on Morning Joe Wednesday morning that Fox News CEO Roger Ailes had been trying to contact both Ivanka and Melania Trump hoping they could convince Trump to change his mind, but that Trump would only speak to Rupert Murdoch.

Oh, but wait! Trump is making a MISTAAAAAAKE!!!!!!!

Who's in charge, gentlemen? Fox News, or Trump? Who? That's right. But, oh, somehow, this is HUUUUUUUGE mistake for Trump.

Fox News is getting played, laid, and slayed.

Once more Trump has managed to turn the attention back to himself. He has shown he has a pulse on the serious dissatisfaction with the system that the GOP establishment fails to recognize, and in their zeal to punish Ted Cruz seem to be embracing Trump. Much of htat embrace of Trump seems to be that the GOP thinks Trump will be more malleable, able to make a "deal" with etc.
My overall problem is that when we embrace Trump we ignore that Cruz and/or Rubio might actually hold more principled views(I know that's arguable) while Trump is purely opportunistic, make it up as he goes, and not probably clueless about governing if he actually pulls it off.
I do not wish for Clinton or Sanders to win, but at some point I also don't want to be back where we have been the last 8 years with the GOP's imitation of Kevin Bacon: Please sir, let me have another.
I think Ted Cruz has an opportunity to change that more so than Donald Trump.

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Why should anyone (with more than 2 working brain cells) be opposed to actually knowing who we bring into the country?

It's not just here. David Cameron is feeling the wrath of the left for referring to refugees attempting to enter Britain from Calais as, "a bunch of migrants".

Imagine if he had advocated for banning them.

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Originally posted by BGULL:
My overall problem is that when we embrace Trump we ignore that Cruz and/or Rubio might actually hold more principled views(I know that's arguable) while Trump is purely opportunistic, make it up as he goes, and not probably clueless about governing if he actually pulls it off.

Please enlighten us about Rubio's "principled views". I mean the ones that he hasn't flip-flopped all over the place on.